General Car Related Discussion. To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.

cosworth alternator???

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 15-06-2011, 08:44 AM
  #1  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default cosworth alternator???

how do they work?
is there an ignition 12 volt supply to it (thin wire) then the alternator kicks out the 14v to the battery (thick wire)?
Old 15-06-2011, 08:49 AM
  #2  
tabetha
20K+ Super Poster.
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Yes, the thin blue wire from the dash charge warning light supplies + 12v to the "IND" terminal of the alt to excite the field windings and so start supply/producing lecky one turning.
If this is missing it will still kick in when revved to around 3500rpm, and stay kicked in until the engine stops, rev over 3500 again on restart and it charges again.
If the bulb/circuit is ok then it will charge as soon as turning with no revving to 3500.
The circuit supplies a live to the IND terminal, once charging this IND terminal changes state to live also putting out the bulb as it has two lives but no earth/negative.
tabetha
Old 15-06-2011, 09:48 AM
  #3  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

ok cheers,
is the blue wire an ignition live?
i will check it today, so if its not charging the battery after i rev it up its knackered even if the wire is unplugged?
Old 15-06-2011, 01:02 PM
  #4  
martysmartie
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
martysmartie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,460
Received 103 Likes on 101 Posts
Default

Easiest way to check the blue wire circuit, is to simply see if the battery light illuminates when the ignition is switched on? If not then you have a break in the circuit.

Yes it supplies 12V via the bulb to the alternator, when charging the earth on alt then changes to live (Alternator power) and so two lives means the bulb extinguishes indicating to the driver all is well!

As said if revved high enough it will start charging so as you correctly suspect if it doesn't you have a problem with the item itself!

Martin
Old 15-06-2011, 02:06 PM
  #5  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by martysmartie
Easiest way to check the blue wire circuit, is to simply see if the battery light illuminates when the ignition is switched on? If not then you have a break in the circuit.

Yes it supplies 12V via the bulb to the alternator, when charging the earth on alt then changes to live (Alternator power) and so two lives means the bulb extinguishes indicating to the driver all is well!

As said if revved high enough it will start charging so as you correctly suspect if it doesn't you have a problem with the item itself!

Martin
thats what got me thinking my light has stopped coming on
so i've just tested it and with the ignition on i have power to the blue wire so my bulb must have gone in the clocks?
also alternator is fucked, its not charging at all even if i rev it up. i bought it of ebay a while ago and painted it up so it looks new and it does'nt work
Old 15-06-2011, 02:37 PM
  #6  
cozmeister
More boost Igor!
iTrader: (1)
 
cozmeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In my Cosworth
Posts: 3,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by B13 JUS
thats what got me thinking my light has stopped coming on
so i've just tested it and with the ignition on i have power to the blue wire so my bulb must have gone in the clocks?
also alternator is fucked, its not charging at all even if i rev it up. i bought it of ebay a while ago and painted it up so it looks new and it does'nt work
Did you do something silly like paint over the B+ Terminal....?
Old 15-06-2011, 03:25 PM
  #7  
tabetha
20K+ Super Poster.
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

The easiest way is to simply probe the end of the blue wire with ignition on, it will read if passing current.
If the alternator has not been used for a LONG time, it may not have enough residual magnetism to start charging even when revved, that being the case simply use a small length of wire and hold one end on a live, alternator B+ for example and with the engine running touch it on the IND terminal where the blue wire goes, if it's working this will start it charging.
Make sure you're not confusing the also nearby "W" terminal, as they look the same, this is a single tapping from the AC wave of the alternator, and is a output of around 8V.
tabetha
Old 15-06-2011, 05:10 PM
  #8  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by cozmeister
Did you do something silly like paint over the B+ Terminal....?

no i masked everything up
Old 15-06-2011, 05:13 PM
  #9  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tabetha
The easiest way is to simply probe the end of the blue wire with ignition on, it will read if passing current.
If the alternator has not been used for a LONG time, it may not have enough residual magnetism to start charging even when revved, that being the case simply use a small length of wire and hold one end on a live, alternator B+ for example and with the engine running touch it on the IND terminal where the blue wire goes, if it's working this will start it charging.
Make sure you're not confusing the also nearby "W" terminal, as they look the same, this is a single tapping from the AC wave of the alternator, and is a output of around 8V.
tabetha
i've tested the blue wire and its got 12v
i will double check its fitted to the correct terminal
Old 16-06-2011, 10:14 AM
  #10  
cozmeister
More boost Igor!
iTrader: (1)
 
cozmeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In my Cosworth
Posts: 3,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by B13 JUS
no i masked everything up
Cool beans. Had to ask as a mate of mine powder coated his then wondered why it wouldn't charge the battery. The powder was apparently a fantastic insulator.
Old 16-06-2011, 12:17 PM
  #11  
martysmartie
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
martysmartie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,460
Received 103 Likes on 101 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by B13 JUS
i've tested the blue wire and its got 12v
i will double check its fitted to the correct terminal
I almost guarantee you have connected it to the W terminal opposed to the D+.

Martin
Old 16-06-2011, 03:19 PM
  #12  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by martysmartie
I almost guarantee you have connected it to the W terminal opposed to the D+.

Martin
no it was on D+ terminal, it couldnt fit to the W terminal because it has a heat shield fitted.
the alternator is shagged i think.

i have my light working now it was a dodgy connection on the back of the clocks
Old 16-06-2011, 06:38 PM
  #13  
tabetha
20K+ Super Poster.
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I remembered on my sapphy when sat for 7 months for engine/box sort I had no warning light, turned out it was slight corrosion on the little pads on the side of the bulb holder not making good contact with the wiring strip on rear of clocks.
tabetha
Old 16-06-2011, 06:39 PM
  #14  
tabetha
20K+ Super Poster.
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I bet it was the contacts on the bulbholder for the warning light ?
tabetha
Old 16-06-2011, 06:45 PM
  #15  
B13 JUS
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (24)
 
B13 JUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: north east
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tabetha
I bet it was the contacts on the bulbholder for the warning light ?
tabetha
It certainly was mate.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JK12
Pictures, video & Photoshop Forum
33
26-04-2021 12:09 PM
tonicosworth
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
3
31-10-2015 08:40 AM
Ade
Alloy wheels and ICE for sale
6
07-09-2015 05:06 PM
IanC
General Car Related Discussion.
2
05-09-2015 09:38 PM



Quick Reply: cosworth alternator???



All times are GMT. The time now is 06:22 PM.