dvid

Got caught by a man with a gun, 89 in a 70... What level of rape can I expect?
First speeding ticket in 10 years of driving, gutted

tabetha

Employ the right tactics and the case if brought could very likely be thrown out.
89 in a 70 is likely to be borderline between court and std 3 points though, I would imagine the latter, depends on individuals force policy, your clean period of 10 should help.
"I" was caught(well my car anyway) by a man with a video camera in a van, as well as the 4 police in the car doing "in excess of 100mph" on their training heading on the correct side of the road whilst my car was on the wrong side doing about 55mph.
I got charged with dangerous driving, so plenty of evidence as well, they took 11 months to prepare their case, only for it to be thrown out within 10 minutes at CROWN COURT, which I elected, which is another "trick" to use when needed.
tabetha

Chip

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Tabetha, you can only elect to go to crown on an either way offence, and speeding isnt one (but dangerous driving was hence you could do it then)

Dvid, 3 points and a fine I reckon

dvid

Thanks, fingers crossed just 3 points and a fine, to be honest I am more annoyed about the fine, as readers of my other thread will know that my clutch died on Sunday eve

Chip

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At least the fine is only once, if you get many points you pay hundreds every year extra for insurance.

DanW@FastFord

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Why do you trot this story out whenever someone mentions speeding fines? Besides your information being incorrect, you somehow think that because you got lucky, that you're now immune to prosecution, and dish out advice as if you're Nick Freeman!!

Trying to escape from a speeding fine IS possible, but it's a massively risky strategy, and if/when you fail you'll find yourself in a much worse position. For a speeding fine of this magnitude (i.e. a minor offence) you'd be mental to do anything other than just cop for it.

dvid

Agreed, I have every intention of parting my bum cheeks and taking my penalty... Just wondered if people who've had similar experiences knew what points / fine I was heading for. I am sure I will find out soon enough anyway

Oranoco

Were they using the gun on a tripod in accordance with ACPO guidelines?

DanW@FastFord

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I'd be surprised if it was anything other than a fixed penalty. You'd be very unlucky to get a summons. If it does you can plead guilty by post, (it won't affect the outcome of the trial).

DanW@FastFord

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Best of luck trying that angle! You'll hit a massive brick wall, and make it worse for yourself. To dig into the guidelines will mean you' have to plead guilty - and you'll then loose the case, and risk getting a whole lot more points, and a much larger fine.

dvid

I wont be farting about with that, I cant be bothered with the hassle

Oranoco

Why would you need to plead guilty? You are contesting the use of the equipment pointing out it was not in fact used in accordance with their own guidelines therefore calling the reading into question. That does not require any guilty plea.

Certainly you would need some big balls to take it all the way but that's not to say it isn't an angle that could be used. Mind you not getting caught in the first instance would be better than trying to wriggle on the matter afterwards.

If you are willing to play about you can walk away free. I've done it myself many many years ago when I was accused of a more serious offence than speeding.

DanW@FastFord

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Because of the options they give you. If you want to have information relating to the case disclosed then you will have to agree to go to court - and to do so means you WILL get more of a fine, court costs and possibly more points.

If you were actually doing the speed it's simply not worth contesting.

I was THE single biggest advocator of trying to wriggle out of speeding fines, and there are lots of factors that you can use to try and get off the charge - but the chances of you doing so in this day and age are very remote - plus the system is set up to actively reward you with a lower fine if you just cop for it.

Chip

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You can go to court to plead not guilty Dan, you dont have to plead guilty to end up in court, not sure where you are going with that TBH

carlfiesta999

i got 6 points for 81 in a 50, anything over a 100 is instant ban, 6 months if its your first, if you have clean licence, your looking at a max of 6 points and a couple of hundred quid fine. wouldnt loose any sleep over it, either take it like a man and learn from it or if you think you have grounds to protest it, do so

Oranoco

^ not entirely true, good friend of mine got 6 points for 103, didn't even mention a ban.

DanW@FastFord

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My point (which I didn't express properly) is that you minimise the fine/points by pleading early (even the wording of the summons says as much) and if you elect to go to court and lose then you're in for a whopping fine, and possibly even a ban.

Obviously you can go to court and plead not guilty, and hope that there is something amiss with the evidence to let you get off, but exploiting the loopholes is much more difficult than it used to be.

Basically, contesting it is a high risk strategy, especially if you were actually speeding.

dvid

81 in a 50 is more than 25% over the limit, surely 89 in a 70 will just warrant 3 points?

Chip

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I'd appeal on the grounds of a lack of parity of justice if you got much more than that TBH unless there are some circumstances you havent expressed to us like it was in an HGV or the weather conditions were terrible etc

dvid

I am still waiting to hear what my punishment will be (I was driving a company car that wasnt mine / my company but I am authorised to drive it). Sunny day etc etc so wait and see.

It was a Mazda 6 Sport...

Skotie jay

lmfao why do things on this site turn in to debates hahaha
take the fine if they send it an the points. but in the instance of a mobile speed trap they summon u to court sometimes aswell. either way you'll end up with 3 points tbh but if its an sp30 shouldnt really affect ya insurnace so i wouldnt worry

Chip

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Weird that, when a discussion forum includes discussions, always a surprise

Skotie jay

i know strange but id more say jeremy kyle style arguements lol with people geting arsey at others opinions right or wrong

ezz168

i got caught years back at an average speed of 74 in a 40 got a court summons pleaded guilty went to court got 6 points 150 pound fine then 5 years later speed camara got me again 41 in a 30 sent form back to say i was the driver got offerd a driver awareness course paid 80 pound did the course and got no points

Neil@FastFord

I am awaiting a stern fisting for 96 in a 70.

I am pretty much expecting six points and a juicy fine, anything less and i will be made up. Done the crime, just expecting the time/fine.

Benni

I've been to court on two occasions and pleaded not guilty for speeding offences, meaning I've had to return in usually around a month and up to now I've never been done for speeding. I've also asked for pictures in the past and never heard anything back off them, which was nice.

I will say though, everyone I spoke to told me it wasn't a good idea. Glad I never took their advice to be honest. Please bare in mind I wasn't guilty, of course.


Benni

mk2 escort boy

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i got caught doing 91 on the a303 i got 3 points £60 fine

Rod-Tarry

got 5 points for 86 in a 60.
Love the people that contest something they admit they did. The first to moan if someone gets off with a non motoring offence on a technicality.
We tend to break the law sometimes with the cars we own, stand up & be counted for heavens sake.

herbcosworth

106 in a 70 ten day ban 105 squid cost, said i needed my license for my job, lucky it was only ten days

Dlatch!

i got caught speeding years ago on the M40 heading home from work one friday evening
was the last in a train of three cars all shifting along, i was convinced they clocked me at over 100mph which would have been a instant 6 month ban but luckily i was clocked at 98.8mph
6 points and £210 fine no courts involved either the copper said do you want to see the video footage i said no thanks i will wait until its on police camera action

obrutsr09

I got done for 96 on a 70 went to court on me own said i was sorry, got 4 points £200 fine

BM08

I was clean for 10 years until i got a cu80(using a phone), i got 3 points and 60 quid fine, insurance went up by 200 quid!

Although i was very very lucky as my ticket got "lost" and they withdrew the points and sent my license back clean

Derby_Gav

Old man got caught doing 93 mph on the m6 one Sunday morning.

3 points and a £60 fine followed.

Unless it was rush hour and pouring down with rain I wouldn't worry about anything more than that.

Gavin.

tabetha

Chip, everyone has the right to be tried by a Jury for various offences, and that is what I elected at the magistrates court in Swaffham, when I also entered a NO PLEA, as opposed to guilty or innocent plea.
EVERYONE is legally entitled to enter a NO PLEA, to ANY offence they are charged with in court, just enter a NO PLEA and the case can be heard in front of a jury.
tabetha

scoobydooby914

Jesus!!! It's like an episode of the bill. I really wouldn't worry about it mate you've not been clocked at a silly speed. And you weren't going past a primary school at chuckin out time. You'll just get some points and a fine.

arch

Yet, he never states he didn't drive dangerously, just seems rather proud of the fact he wasn't convicted.

scoobydooby914

That's because he's a legend with an opinion on everything. But probably not many friends

danneth

depends on the county to, i got caught in west yorkshire doing 98.8mph on the motorway and he said had you been in south yorkshire they would have dealth with it at the road side but in west yorkshire anything over 97mph has to be dealt with via the courts he said that doesn't mean the punishment will be any worse ( ye right )

i got 5 points and a 300quid fine

Magnum PI

when i copped my 1st speeding offence (40 in a 30) i was offered the choice of 3pts & £60 fine or, pay to go on a 'speed awareness' course and avoid the points.
needless to say I opted for the latter and went on the course.

the blokes running the course told us that if you get caught speeding within 2 years of attending the course you cannot go on another course, you will have to take the points.

therefore in the OP's position, seeing as its his, quote;
"1st speeding ticket in 10 years of driving"

I would be pretty certain he may have a lucky escape by being given the option of paying £80, going on a speed awareness course and being told not to do it again!

which will be a result!

hicost

I have just been done for 45 in a 30 entering a village still slowing down and did not even see the nice man, was my first ticket for over 10 years, I have just sent my license off with £60. and awaiting the 3 points.

Has made me a bit more aware, im always on the phone (hands free) and these days its so easy to cruise at high speeds without really thinking. I guess I have got away with it for years.

James