Chip

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It speaks volumes to me as well, it shows that due to the massive investments being made into the technology that the price of the technology is falling rapidly so by the time something has been on the shelf a while its out of date pricing and needs to be reduced to stay competitive.
This is the same as what happened with mircowave ovens prices for example.


If you have a system like the Sony active glasses one, then at times you dont wear them, for watching normal TV, then there is no difference, they dont hinder you watching 2d tv, they just enable you to watch 3d on occasion if its something you feel is worth watching in 3d (avatar for example certainly is a better experience in 3d than in 2d for example)
You can get ones that fit over normal glasses too.


I think you are wrong on that.
I think that HD/3D will both be standard spec on all high end TV's more or less within 10 years time and probably "common place" a lot sooner than that.
We'll bump this in a few years and see, lol



Its 2 different images, not several, and as you only have 2 eyes, thats all you need.

Chip

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As I said, if I didnt make it clear I wanted opinions from owners with long term experience of one particular half of the technology (ie active glasses or passive ones) and what they thought of it, I dont really see that as anything like the input you are giving just cause you work next door to currys or whatever
As I said, my fault for not making my post idiot proof enough, thanks for putting the effort to add your opinion that you felt was interesting to me though, not your fault there was a misunderstanding.
Im sure some of what you have said will interest others anyway, so no harm done, just explaining why I personally am not interested in your random generalisations etc as you specifically questioned what I was looking for with the thread.
But im not telling you not to post them for the benefit of others, am only discussing this with you at all because you started the discussion in terms of what you felt I personally wanted from the post.

Nick D

And when you do feel that this is the case.....................the fucking things will be flat!

danneth

Have a read back i just told you the downside to 3D tv's atm, you then tried to put me right with the glasses theory that you had in which you thought the said problems didn't happen now look your dummys are out of the pram

http://www.audio-images.co.uk/ not quite currys

mrjenrst

DanW@FastFord

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Microwaves were very expensive for a long time, it was a good few years into their development that the prices came down - I don't know enough about microwave technology to accurately comment on the reasons for the prices coming down, but I'd wager it was for entirely different reasons to 3D TV's price dropping!

That's something that, as you point out, only time can answer. But I know that I won't be shelling out for what I see as a gimmicky technology... not just yet anyhow.

Not what I mean - Say there's a 'crowd scene' in a film - when it's 3D'd it doesn't look like a load of people in a crowd, because of the way the 3D image parallax effect works it looks like a load of people in layers. It just makes you aware that it's 'forced' 3D and not real.

Don't get me wrong, 3D is fun - I'm one of the people who jumps when something comes flying out of the screen towards me, it's just not for me. I've seen a couple of films at the flicks in 3D, but always choose the 2D option now.

Danster76

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Tells me what? Buy a panasonic? Buy a LG??

Maybe pm me danneth.
Apologies for clogging up your thread Chip.

danneth

You have to go with your own eyes mate, i dont have anything else but panasonic but everyone is different, just make sure what ever store/shop you go into they have the tv's setup correctly for you,

cfoster

I got a Samsung 3D TV (55") with the active 3d glasses, didnt buy the TV just for the 3D, mainly because of how it looked!! However having tried it a few times with the glasses on its brilliant, although after 20 or 30 minutes my eyes get really tired and a headache kicks in! The upscaling is good and things like Simpsons and Family Guy are good upscaled, as well as PS3 games!

Danster76

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Did you go for the UE55C8000?

Chip

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I want to know about the relative merits of the two different glasses setups, thats what the whole thred is about.

You havent mentioned anything specific to one or the other you have just slagged 3d in general off, which is of no interest to me.

I didnt say I thought that they didnt happen, I said that I had experienced that they didnt happen, very different thing!

Chip

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Thats interesting about the headaches.

Do other people find the same when they watch your tv with the glasses on?
(just wondering if it effects your wife as well for example)

DanW@FastFord

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I'd suggest it depends on how good your eyes are. If there's an imbalance in the vision between your eyes then they have to work much harder than normal to keep up with the 3Dness.

cfoster

I did indeed mate Posted it before but here's a pic!





Chip - i'd be also interested about the headaches, my missus hasnt really tried them so hard to compare. However i'm fortunate enough to have good eyesight, don't wear glasses at all (am 31) so would've thought i'd have been ok. 3D films in the cinema and i've been fine but they are different glasses....

Chris

Danster76

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Chris,

Good enough for me. I'm gonna get one.

Cheers

Chip

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cfoster, treat yours mrs to a 3d dvd would you? I want to see if it effects her too

during the time you were watching it, did you get any of the effects that Danneth said you would like:
Ghosting, motion blur, crosstalk
?

cfoster

lol, ill see what i can do mate, only got one pair of glasses so i'll make an excuse to go out on the piss and leave 'er indoors!!!!

With the ghosting, blur etc nothing of the sort, although the BluRay Terminator 2 was out of lip sync which was annoying (via PS3!)

Chris

Chip

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Cfoster, that would be great if you could just leave her to it then ask her how she got on

Would also be interesting to see if you stick at it and watch it often if the problem goes away.

Might just be a personal thing though, for example I use computer screens for work for huge numbers of hours during the week for example and have never had headaches caused by them, and yet some people can get issues.


With regards to the side effects (or lack or) thats the same thing I found when I tried the active glasses then.

Guess Danneth must just have got confused about which glasses cause which effects or something!

Chip

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Im not sure that is the case, I think its more likely to be to do with the refresh rate and the time period during which there is blackness for each eye rather than any imbalance between your eyes as from that point of view how is it any different to watching a normal telly?

cfoster

True mate it might just be me!!! Although I do work in IT and also sit in front of multiple screens during the day!!

rs-tuner

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When I watched avatar 3d in the cinema half way through my eyes felt tired I didn't get any headaches but had to remove the glasses for 10 mins.

Also I think 3d is here to stay. Sky have spent millions to set up one channel and they are usually right about this sort of new tech.

Chip

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Not just sky, look at all the money that pixar and the like have spent totally redoing all their animation software to allow it to work in 3D, they will not be keen to just bin that and go back to 2D now, would be throwing away so much investment.

Last time 3D was a fad when it was in the cinemas with the coloured glasses because it was 3D at the expense of full colour, this time there is no downside of that scale to hold it back though.

danneth

Read any review they will tell you the same but as usual chip knows best.



"The major problem with the 3D image on the UE46C8000 was an image artefact called crosstalk. This artefact is caused when latent images intended for the left eye are perceived by the right eye and vice versa, thus creating a ghost-like double image. Our 3D Guide video explains this in greater detail for those interested in finding out more. These latent images are due to the response time of the panel coupled with imperfect sync with the glasses in active shutter systems"


I found the active shutter glasses comfortable to wear and easy to operate, although on a couple of occasions I lost the synch with the display. I'm not sure if this was my fault or due to the glasses and the display losing their connection but I noticed it happened after a dark scene so it might be related to the display blacking out when there is perceived to be no signal. Also if you tilt your head the image darkens and you lose the 3D effect so this precludes lying down on the sofa and watching TV (as I often do). And finally if you want to try and calibrate the 3D image then you are given the CMS and a Two Point greyscale option. However you will also have to find a way to compensate for the glasses effect on luminance.


then they went on to say about the dull picture due to the glasses and some people can also tell about the flickering with them to :-(

advert for LG's latest ones

"If you’re watching the latest technology on your screen, why not get the latest in your 3D glasses too? Shutter glass technology uses liquid crystal to deliver great 3D images with virtually no “ghosting”, or image trailing

virtually none, so its not all together gone just cut down happy now

DanW@FastFord

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Suppose it depends how bad your eyes are. My wife gets headaches really quickly but then one of her eyes is much worse than the other (another reason why I'd not get [be allowed] a 3D telly!)

cjwood555

Just to point out, 3d actually halves the vertical resolution in ALL picture modes, 1080P 3D is actually 3x 540P 2D. Have a look at the protocol spec for hdmi 1.4 on hdmi.org.

Chris

Dexy

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I was the same myself chip, but i seem to be leaving them now, i used to only buy sony, but im going off sony now.

P_is_for_Paul

Anyone played black ops or gt5 in 3D yet? That would be something I'd like to try out!