Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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i actualy have had some good debates with chip and thought he was alright(as much as you can without meeting him)but some times he realy can appear to be a total knob and thinks he knows everything...the only way you can learn more is by listening and experiencing new things but when your as clever as chip thinks he is then its very hard to take anything else in...therefore making everyone else wrong even when thier not!!!

cheers danny

Chip

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Ive learned things in the following ways:
Doing them
Talking to people
Reading

Im VERY prepared to listen to people when they know what they are on about, Im under utterly no delusions about what things I know about and what things I dont, and I am always keen to learn more if its potentially useful to me with my own engine builds.


This thread is just a load of bollocks with you defending Joe's and Wozzy trying to take pops at you for it, its got no technical merit, its not actually discussing anything people will learn form and its not useful to anyone, so consequently I have an entirely flippant attitude to it. If it was a thread worth taking seriously I would, but it isnt its just funny.

wozzy

This thread is just a load of bollocks with you defending Joe's and Wozzy trying to take pops at you for it, its got no technical merit, its not actually discussing anything people will learn form and its not useful to anyone, so consequently I have an entirely flippant attitude to it. If it was a thread worth taking seriously I would, but it isnt its just funny.[/quote]

hey i'm not trying to take pops at anyone............... just a little bit of sarcasm here and there. Danny has actually proved some of us wrong with the fact he DOES actually use f1 springs of some sort in his builds. I started this thread with a genuine question. So i think it is of 'some' kind of technical benefit to others........ maybe

pee vee

only 'F1 spec' things ive heard of used on road cars is turbos..... which basiaclly means they are from the 80s... which means they are at least 20 years out of date. lol

F1 engines havent used springs for years.. as they simply cant keep up with 18,000 + rpm (cosworth had them revving to 20k 2 or 3 years ago )

tommytxr

ive got them on my escort

o no sorry there just bald :-(

Chip

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As per earlier in the thread, if the word "historic" was inserted, it would be more accurate, but would be less "massive spec engine for the win yo!" tastic
Like I mentioned earlier, the springs are THIRTY YEARS old F1 technology.
The average corsa shopping car has more recent F1 technology in it than that

Its Dave

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Only just seen this what a read


Like the tags by the way

It's Czech Mate

2007 F1 Valve Springs FTMFW

F1 engines havent used mechanically operated valves with springs for fucking years

Chip

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1991 was the last time I believe, but they havent been competitive with them since long before that, thats just where a few back marker teams were still using the DFR, which as far as im aware is the last valve sprung engine ever in F1, ending the quarter of a century or so of use that the DFV and its derivatives managed, so technically Danny doent just have historic F1 Spec valve springs, he has championship winning, driver title winning, massively dominante historics F1 spec valve springs

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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you need to read the whole thread mate as your lost...
seeing as i have and will use dfv cosworth valve springs in a yb im right in what i said also when talking ybs why does everyone talk about todays f1 engine???
the yb and dfv are from the same era!!!!

some people on here make me laugh..chip wont believe joe can and does build f1 engines and although hes unintrested in this thread has posted loads..
he also stated earlier in the thread you cant use a f1 valve spring...WRONG!!!!

and others..not all...jump on the band wagon when actualy they know fuck all...

cheers danny

Chip

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That much is true, the Pinto is from the 60s and so is the DVF

I dont believe he builds any current ones no, but I dont think even you have claimed he does?
I do believe he has rebuilt some non current ones though, so I am unsure as to why you are pretending I have ever said or thought differently?

I didnt say it was uninteresting full stop, merely it was of no useful technical merit, as entertainment goes though, you spitting your dummy is always amusing to watch

I havent said you cant use a spring from a 1967 designed F1 engine like you are using, Ive merely said you cant use them from a current F1 car as they dont have any.
Ive also said that as they were designed for high revving N/A engines, there is no advantage to them over a good quality YB intended spring in the first place, like a set of iskeys.

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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chip (and others who want to put theyre two pence worth in but not bother to read the whole thread)when did i ever say 2007 and valve spring ever????
i said in another post f1 springs and everone took the piss when infact i was right!!!
now chip wants to play it of by saying these valve springs are shit and out of date etc when infact they were used and still are used in the wrc spec ybs but i suppose im talking shit ah???
people can take the piss and believe the almighty chip if you like but iv only stated facts not bullshit like chip will have you believe

cheers danny

pee vee

My question is.. Why would you need to make a point of using 'F1' springs?

surely they are designed for a totally different application to a low revving 2ltr turbo engine?

genuine question..

CossieRich

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pee vee,

Wozzy the thread starter asked a genuine question and look whats happened

Chip

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YES the springs were used in WRC engines
YES they were used (starting in the 60s) in F1 DFV engines

No one is saying that they werent, and I challendge you to find the post where I said they were shitlike you are now bullshitting that I have apparently siad!
Wozzy's point, which most people agree with (including me) is merely that its just irrelevant that in the 60s they started getting used in F1 engines and there is nothing "F1" specific about them and that these days have nothing to do with F1 as F1 engiens dont even have springs, as mentioned previously, if ou want to be accurate then they are "historic F1 spec" if you really must make the connection
They are just good quality springs like any other good quality spring, so its pointless banging on about them being F1 spec, when they were cutting edge technology in F1 four decades ago, so were radial tyres IIRC

crazycage

i have wrc spec rods in my engine.

MikeR

your a real feisty fucker arent you Danny,

With reference to my earlier question have you ever met Mark?

Mike

Chip

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Thanks to the resurgance of the XE in touring cars Ive got more or less current touring car spec rods/lifters/springs/retainers in my nova

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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i never said anything other than f1 valve springs!!!guess what i was right and you and others were wrong...END OF!!!

cheers danny

CossieRich

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Excellent Chip. Can i lay claim to having a Group A cone filter on my cossie, even though im not sure which group A spec cars in the world used them

Chip

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Where was anyone wrong?

Everyone said they are old "historic F1 spec" springs from the 60s, and nothing to do with modern F1, what is wrong about that?

Martin-Hadland

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Not going to read the whole thread so forgive if the valve spring issue is sorted already!

I have these fitted to my engine, they were originally designed for and fitted to a Cosworth DFV hence the 'F1 spec' wording that people seem to like. Very good quality but at around Ł500 a set, they're not cheap!

crazycage

sweet but have you got any F1 spec bits on it lol?

Chip

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Works for Danny, his springs are probably not even genuine Schmithelm ones anyway given that they are about 30 quid each and he keeps banging on about how cheap it is to build a big power YB

Chopper1981

Not long ago i was up at Joe's place and he had an engine in out of an old Mark Webber car, although it's not a bang up to date engine it certainly wasn't 30yrs old.

Chip

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Yes mate, the toluene present in the Shell optimax I run it on is EXACTLY the same chemically as the toluene that they used in the petrol that the F1 turbo cars run on, AND that the modern F1 cars use.
It also uses the same Oxygen molecules in the air, and its got F1 spec electrons going through the wiring too

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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sorry mike yes i am and im not about to change!!

im ok when you meet me though honest..lol

no i havent actualy met mark but to be fair iv never actualy ever said anything bad about him either(because i have no right as i dont know him)as theres nothing bad to say its just some people with hes engines always think theyve got something supperior wich does get my back up..hey ho thats me sorry...



cheers danny

CossieRich

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Ł500 for a set of valve springs

Chip

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So it would wind you up if they started claiming to have superior "F1 spec" parts on their car I assume?

How ironic

Chip

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Thats if you get a deal, full retail is more like 100 quid each IIRC

Tarren

Excellent read this

MikeR

I didnt want to assume that you had met him so held of, making the point that to infer that Wozzys comment in any way came as a result of Mark being his engine builder of choice was a little below the belt, if you ever have the fortune of meeting Mark you will realise he is a very genuine decent bloke that in all the times l have met him he has never slated any other builder, he says what he knows and points out what and why he is doing what he does on the cars in front of him, have you ever woundered why Dean his mechanic does not come on here? it is because Mark does not openly indulge in this shit, he states the facts as he sees them and nothing else, his attitude is one of the main reasons l deal with him,

Mike

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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according to chip theyre just 60s old springs that are no better than iskys???

yesterday chip said why would you use them as a yb doesnt rev that high now today after taking the piss a few times hes saying no one doubted it!!!
read back yourself chip youve proper contradicted yourself!!!
you didnt care what i was saying you just thought it would be a laugh to wind people up and disregarded what i was saying,now your back tracking saying you were fully aware that some of us use f1 valve springs!!!

cheers danny

CossieRich

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No Danny,

YOU seem to think people with a MAD engines think they are superior, which actually makes it your own problem and no one elses. You were trying to catch Mark out on the yum rolling road thread about power at the wheels and boost and because you didnt get the answers you wanted, you post saying his customers think they are superior. You prooved that again on this thread, as soon as Wozzy mentioned he had a MAD engine in an EVO. What has a MAD built engine in an EVO go to do with vlave springs in a yb? Nothing at al,l so no need to mention how it made sense to you (sarcasticly) once you knew that irrelevant fact.

Its you who has the problem for some reason even though you evidently build good engines such as the one in your escort which looked damn fast at Brands Hatch.

Try not to get so agitated, no one has personally attacked you or said the engines you build are shit have they mate.

Martin-Hadland

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There you go..



I keep these on the shelf

Chip

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For a YB on hydraulics, like most people on here have the iskys work fine, no reason to change them IMHO

They arent F1 valve springs, F1 cars dont have valve springs, they are HISTORIC F1 valve springs, how is it that you are unable to grasp the difference?

They USED to be used in F1, they arent anymore!

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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your right on the above i was wrong but on hes own admission wozzy was being sarcastic and as usual i got on my high horse...
iv known dean for many years and know hes a good bloke,as iv said its not mark its some of the owners of hes engines that get my back up...

and the followers...look at chips comments..
i doubt iv got these springs now as they are so expensive!!!!
iv personaly only used them twice and will again but i promise you thats what they are and if chip wants to he can take them out and have a look???
funny though because earlier there was no such thing and when there was they were just 30 year old things that are no better than iskys!!!

cheers danny

Chip

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And there still isnt any such thing, F1 cars dont use valve springs, they havent done for nearly 2 decades!

If they ever start using them again though I will let you know and you can change your spec sheet back from "historic f1 spec springs" to "f1 spec springs"

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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ok yeah i suppose your right to some of them points and as iv said to mike i was wrong to use that one about a mad engine but why is it ok for ppl to mock or take the piss when infact im right about a damn good spring???


even yourself was disbelieving and took the piss...
ok i get annoyed quickly but im not going to sit there and take shit but i will stop getting back at ppl about thier engines

cheers danny

jammerrs

imo same as most things in yb tuning, its a bragging match, some people are honest and some use F1 this WRC that and Touring car the other.

to me its F1 if that exact spring was used in an F1 car, or a Touring car head if that head is from an Touring Car, or WRC if its from a WRC car.

not the same style as was on these cars.

and yes i agree springs made for high reving cars arnt realy of much use in a 2ltr turbo car, not like there revving above even 8k