benporter

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Mr Brannen

very true about the aeros, forgot that point, toon were flying tonight ben eh!!! keano`s face at the end ha ha, fuckin cunt

benporter

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mozzy

still dont agree, my ,3 evo ok was convertible but supposed to be 321 bhp but never felt it (64k on the clock) and dont get me wrong it was far from slow but still never felt like a car with 321 bhp, more like 250 max maybe it was only 250 after all as said they never seem to make book figures but either way i got nailed by a 170 bhp toyota glanza up until 90 and i know the glanza is a rapid little car but still an M3 against a 13 year old toyota shoebox.

either way i would rather the escos anyday as subarus and bmw M3s asre like clitorous's , Every cunt has one. I mean few years ago an imprezza was the ultimate, now you can pick them up for pennies

Mr Brannen

Are you daft? for a start were not talking about M3 Evos, the lads asking about e46 M3`s which are twice the car of an old e36,again I had both so I know.also he isnt asking which one we`d prefer to drive he is asking which one is faster, have you ever owned either of the said cars?

mozzy

but what i am saying is an e36 evo is 321 bhp and the e46 is 345 bhp but the e36 is lighter i think, i am using it as an comparrison as i have never actually driven an e46 m3 so i cant be sure but i said i am sure there wont be a huge difference between the two.... am i wrong, i dont know, all i know is rich was showing the m3 who was boss, i prefer the bmw to the subaru anyday. i dont personally believe there will be much difference between the to.

H15 FSC

Done a few in my 315bhp focus rs mk1, never been over 100mph though , but they don't stand a chance on every day roads

Alps Pacino

all these people saying an escos will lauch quicker obviously aint been in an m3 smg using the launch control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y697I...eature=related

dojj

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jimmy's saph kept up with with someones csl that night jbfletch's saph killed the cam belt

and being in teh passenger seat i can safely say that the csl was giving it and so was jimmy and although jimmy didn't catch it, it wasn't pulling away either

i think it belonged to ele of efe or soemone along those lines? they may be able to clear thigns up

Touring Car Spares

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Ive not owned an E46 M3 roadcar but recently fitted the E46 M3 engine to an E36 Race car , i changed the rod bolts to ARP and removed the vanos before we stuck it on an engine dyno .It struggled above about 325 bhp and we had to change the injectors to much higher capacity versions to get it anywhere near the manufacturers figures .
these were our findings on premium quality fuel....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/07...nmeee00057.flv



http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/07...nmeee00058.flv

panelbeater

did you not think that removing the vanos was a step in the wrong direction? bmw did design and fit it for a reason...

Touring Car Spares

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That is possible .
however, in a racecar we didn't want an additional component that might show unreliabiltiy , also i was led to beleive that the Vanos assists torque at upto approx 4800 rpm , this engine will almost never see lower than that when in use . Also tha managment chosen wasn't clever enoug to absorb the additional mapping , it was just easier and more straightforward to remove it on this occasion .

stu21t

my m8s got a e46 m3 and i beat him every time we go out.
its very close but i always win in my e36

mechanic28

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Cossies feel faster then what they actually are due to the way the turbo kicks in,i would say it would be very very close all the way!

mechanic28

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lmao at the tags

dom123

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the 4x4 system on the escos and the bad aerodynamics means its not the fastest cossie... i thought mine was gutless to drive so i converted to 2wd and its great now very fast!!

Steven_RW

E46 m3 is a fast car once rolling. I tended to find that 4th gear, which took u to 140mph was a good one and then u drop 5th to the std speed limiter. Most things could keep up, up to around 80 or 100mph. After that it took a rapid motor.

I chased A mates evo 8 mr340 remmapped to around 380, all the way up to the big speeds and once we were above say 130mph, the M3 was either matching or catching the evo.

They are just very relaxed and comfortable and also capable of very very good motorway progress.

Cheers

RW

Glenn_

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I raced one of those horrible looking X6? BMWs the other month and it could pull away from me.A 60.000 pound car nacked by a old sierra.

Mr Brannen

But isnt that a SUV people carrier Glen?

panelbeater

was it a 235hp diesel or the 408hp petrol? i'm guessing the diesel

dojj

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talking of m3's and x6's, did you know that the new x6m is faster round the 'ring than the e36 m3

dan-dan

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I had a play with a e46 m3 from 60-130mph and i was sat on his bumper all the way, but he was pulling away at 120 but not by alot and that was in my s2 200ish bhp. but i was suprised so i guess he wasent givening everything

jamieRST

lots of mixed views on this thread.bmw e46 m3 343 bhp/269 ft lbs.Top Speed 155mph.0-60 mph 5.1 s escort rs cosworth (standard) 227 bhp/224 ftˇlb.Top Speed 137 mph.0-60 mph 6.2s.matey asked about a 340bhp cossie,which would be putting out more torque than the bmw,and has 4wd,so IMO the cossie would be faster in pretty much any likely road encouter with the m3,apart from maybe on the motorway,but around town etc the cossie would eat it.m3s are restricted to 155,the cossie can go as fast as the gears allow.the cossie is a classic and imo the better car to have,it was also designed and built for rallying but as also a road car.when i see a bmw e46 m3 in wrc i may change my mind lol

Steven_RW

I am not sure I would agree the esc cossie is the car to have out of the two, but appreciate we all have differing tastes and differing requirements from our vehicles.

The M3 is not speed limited to 155mph fyi, they read 168mph on the speedo at the standard limiter which is 163 accurate.

As long as u give the M3 time to stretch its legs, it is a surprisingly strong car. It is MEGA fuel sensitive, so if u are racing against them when they are on 95 octane fuel, or even a tank of anything but the best super, they are majorly slugged on power.

Cheers

RW

Mr Brannen

What a shit post,BMW in wrc, are you on smack?

jamieRST

no i am not on smack,apart from the bmw bit about wrc,how was my post shit

purplemonster

i had a rolling start race with an M3 e46 on an open by pass ,he pulled up behind me at around 55-60mph while i wss minding my own busssiness and almost touched my bumper while flashing his lights

i dropped to 3rd and nailed it ,i didnt see him again i pulled away and left him ( i was running 30psi at the time on an old t34)

but to be honest ,id much rather be in his sexy white bmw than my bone shacker lol

COS 22

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i had a go with a silver hard top one a couple of months ago

40 - 130 i started behind and was touching his bumper all the way

escort was a little quicker but not much its 360 bhp, i was impressed how quick it was

my old escort (417 bhp) would have knacked it though

que pete mcrash ................................

Twellsie

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330 bhp saff cossie 4x4 NMS gunship conversion Vs a friends E46 M3 convertable, the M3 would not even come close untill reaching 110mph+ after that that the M3 would just run away, but from a standing start the cossie destroys it

COS 22

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definately some varying views !!!

matt black

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fletch dont think u will have trouble beating m3 s soon!

panelbeater

cossie's are not the be all and end all of automotives, the e46 m3 is a quality car i don't know how people can say they are slow! the n/a m3 came out of the factory fast, the turbo'd cossie left the factory quick if your comparing the the cars in std form the m3 is far superior, if your comparing a std m3 with a modified cossie then you have a different story to tell. how about if the tables were reversed and the cossie was std and the m3 modded with a turbo conversion? i guess then it would never get discussed.

depending on who was driving said vehicles while racing it would be hard to tell as, has it has been said before you really have to drive the nuts out of the bm for it to do what it was designed to do, thats be fast!

fuzzy

the o/p asks a specific question with specific states of tune on his cossie. if and buts are not nessesary.

panelbeater

like i said depends who is driving them

Mr Brannen

As originally asked, Stage 3 would run out of puff in no time against an M3, 380bhp mmm maybe then, but it is then 40bhp more than an M so is to be expected.

fuzzy

when would they run out of puff? mine didnt at 120 from a standing start against an m3. twas right on his bumper all the way and i was at 282bhp. what does an escort weigh? the m3 is nearly 1600kg .

Steven_RW

120 miles per hour isn't exactly quick in M3 terms. In my years of experience, the range that they are at there best (compared to other motors) is around 80 to 140 (4th gear) and then drop 5th to the speed limiter.

There are variances in M3 performance too. Fuel is a massive one, as are the valve clearances, so few people actually get them done.

Conclusion is - once rolling, I would expect it to be close right up to say 140 to 150mph.

Cheers

RW

Paul_RS

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With 350bhp and 370lb/ft I was able to sit with a member off heres M6, rolling start in 2nd. Up to around 130-140mph on my speedo, so fuck knows what that really is After that the M6 would obviously pull away. I've had a go at another guy i know in his CSL and was able to have that easily enough... But again i'd say a lot higher up the speed the BMW would come back, but i'd have been so far ahead it wouldn't have mattered.

As for BMW launch control? Obseve how well it worked on an M6 (but it was fucking awesome fun!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTFQzp8owgA

4x4 Cossie deffo gets off the line faster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUnApr7rys



Flame away, but from the 2 experiences i've had, thats been the outcome. People have to remember the BMWs are considerably heavier than an old shed cosworth!

Alps Pacino

I know 1 thing for sure though, if you lauch a m3 mega hard off the line it wont result in a broken diff or a drive shaft popping out

Glenn_

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Yeh plus it was a pikey driving it and they werent very happy when they couldnt pull away from me.I just like upsetting people in these posh cars.