timeezlive

Just a quick update and a big thanks to all who gave there advice,opinion or help
I now have a drivable fiesta and all it cost was £20 for a key cut from the key number.Hi got made redundant recently so had to return the company car so in bid to stay mobile i brought a very cheap fiesta 1.3lx mk3 1995 the car only came with 1 key which like an idiot i have lost .
I rang the local dealer told them that i needed a new key and that i have the original key number at which point i was quoted nearly £300
I am aware of the option of a second hand lock set & ecu which so far sounds the cheapest option and would be ok if my local breaker had the keys to any of the ones in his yard so before i go tracking the bits down and getting them posted to me i thought i would ask if anyone here had any other ideas such as bypassing the immobiliser or if there is somewhere cheaper to get the key cut with the key number which i have found in the cars original docs
be grateful for any advise
many thanks

Graceland

Bang a brick through the window, hotwire it and you'll be fine

Zetecfiesta

be a bit more subtle paul! brick through sunroof, its not as obvious ha ha

timeezlive

or squeez through the rust holes

robgooch

your looking at 30 quid for a replacement key if you know your key number and i don't even think they need coding off ids at that age of car

Ebonycossie4x4

iTrader: (4)

yeah go to a key place not a main dealer....

lol at all the helpfull posts on here

Nath

Try a local locksmith. Should be cheaper than Fords.

timeezlive

didnt have the key long enough to notice if it was chiped i asked the ford dealer and he said it was
who could i get to do for £30 thats 10% of what fords wanted

notroubleclubber

my missus had same car,same year but didnt have an immobiliser.For the sake of a few quid just get a key cut with the same number and see how you get on. if it dont start at least your be able to get in then we can work on how to disable the immobiliser if it has one.

timeezlive

I agree if iv got a key it would be good start will fords cut a normal key from the number without charging big time

timeezlive

Thanks for the help earlier got the key cut now i just need to bypass the imobiliser.

RichieST

iTrader: (2)

Don't think this is a daft question, but have you contacted the previous owner to see if they still have another key?

timeezlive

No I would of asked myself but as it turns out he lives in the same road as me when i brought i did a search on the trader with nearest first
Anyway now got a key to turn all the locks just need to know how to bypass the immobiliser

fordrs2005

iTrader: (4)

just go to your local scrappy see if they have any fiestas with the same model as yours with the key , remove the 2 ecu,s from the car and the little module that slots round the ignision barrel and swap everything over on to yours and away u go

timeezlive

I am told these ones you need to change the whole ecu and as said earlier the local breakers have not got keys for any of there mk3 fiestas and im sure there is a way to get it going with an extra live feed

fiend

iTrader: (1)

You won't find any Mk3 Fiestas with the bits you need, you want a Mk3.5.

timeezlive

Dont realy want any bits just want to know where this stop solanoid is that needs a live feed from the ignition

timeezlive

just trying to work out where to conect the live feed i know it goes to the stop solanoid but i dont think thats the one on the starter or maybe it is iv also found info saying conect it to the fuel pump
HELP

NEEDFORSPEED

you cant just do that mate its ecu lock you cant just power up the pump and starter and away you go. just go to the scrappers get 3 keys and get an auto electrician to programme them, will only cost £30. you mention fuel pump, is it a petrol or diesel? if its a diesel its a different story . . .

timeezlive

oh just read that you could in some other forums so assumed it was true ooops

1.9 xr2 on 40's

you can do it with 1 wire but im unsure if i should tell you bein a newby n all that, it works on any pats car and you dont need to bypass like an aftermarket immob, 1 wire and everything works

post a pic of the car with you doin a cheeky grin from the drivers seat and i may loosen my lips

1.9 xr2 on 40's

yeah if its diesel then its a chore and a half but still do able and will cost sub a tenner if you know your spanners

NEEDFORSPEED

i have never ever heard of that enlighten us!! i was going to say diesel was easier lol

timeezlive

no its petrol and im all ears or is it eyes

timeezlive

oh please tell us where the magic wire goes

fiend

iTrader: (1)

Probably not a good idea on a public forum, you never know who is reading it.

timeezlive

True well if any1 would enlighten me please message me or email me at timeez@live.co.uk

Psycho Warren

iTrader: (5)

Rubbish if its proper internal pats as pats requires the correct "code" from a registered key to unlock the ECU.

External Pats is a different matter as you can bypass the fuel pump wiring, starter solenoid wiring and the ECU power supply feed. Still not simple.

timeezlive

http://www.justanswer.com/questions/...-2003-fiesta-1

Psycho Warren

iTrader: (5)

thats for a 2003 mk6 fiesta And im not convinced its that simple either. Yeah sure that would bypass the fuel cutoff aspect of the immobilisor but it wont bypass the start inhibit relay AND it wont activate the ECU.

Its all very well bypassing the fuel pump cut offs etc but whats the point when you need the ECU to control the engine management??

timeezlive

I understand what your saying but there is lots of info on the net saying it works be nice to find out the easy way but iv yet to find the info on pre 96 petrol models

Psycho Warren

iTrader: (5)

30 seconds on google came up with this:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_anyone..._thing_forever

sounds like the procedure for disabling external pats where the PATS is not integrated into the ECU.
you need to know what your car has. if its internal pats then dont bother .

Also remember that your car will be readily hotwireable in about 10 seconds once you got past it

1.9 xr2 on 40's

im not gonna say on here am i, i used to recover for a ford main dealer (many 165's) and its what we used to do to get em on the truck easier, sadly most later fords steering locks take the stalks round too which just adds to the problem

with diesels its as easy as fitting the simple solinoid and running a pos as the link says, on petrol its just a matter of running 1 wire between 2 connections, ok so its a fucker to stop it again from inside the car unless you switch the wire but either way it gets you moving
info will be sent but dont go nickin a motor will ya

timeezlive

yep seen that one but im sure thats not the way

1.9 xr2 on 40's

tell me if it works, if it dont its usually the wire bridging into the other connectors too

could scotchlock it i spose
also if you wanna scare ya mates when you are done with the car, connect the airbag wire 1 to earth and the other to the blue and black and ask em to move your car

be careful tho it mite kill someone, it easily throws a wheelbrace thru the rear screen and across the yard when they go off

timeezlive

WEll if i can find a torch il give it a go 2night

Psycho Warren

iTrader: (5)

1.9 xr2 on 40's, you saying that works for internal ECU controlled PATS or just the simple external pats in earlier cars?? Id like to know how simply bridging two contacts bypass's the electronic side of the encoded PATS. Sure you can bypass the earthing issue but how do you bypass the fact that electronically the ECU wont process anything it needs to run the engine on a petrol car??? I can only see this working if ford built in a deliberate bypass for dealer use only.

timeezlive

still no go

NEEDFORSPEED

could you mail me the info aswel please markstephenson123@btinterenet.com thanks

timeezlive

well just waiting for a jump start but i can now here the fuel pump come on with the ignition