col cos1

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i love my 3-door but i cant get saphs out my head as i love the shape ,lines,interior etc etc

ive had 5 saphs and 1 3-door

il never sell the 3-door as it was a boy hood dream of mine

but fukn love saphs

was in mymates today 4x4 ebony black stage 3,slammed.black rims etc,smooth as,and went very well

there is defo something about them,not just the price

id rather a saph over an escort cossie all day

CRAIG HAYTER

WTFdo you need me to take you to the doctors Col?is it because rwd?

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

3 doors are twitchy. when pushing hard i had no confidence in my old 3 door, on country roads was f###ing awful tbh.

everything else 3 door wins.

Mike1

Not everyone wants to drive round in a car with a massive spoiler on the back though

For you, the 3-door looks are a 'pro', for me they're a 'con'.....

CRAIG HAYTER

the 3 door an escos are the most desired cars bud get yor facts straightwhy are they a conthe 3 door started it offsome peopl just dont have a clue what they are talking aboutnot trying to have a dig at anyone in particular just putting out FACTS!!!

Mike1

Maybe now some people like the original car looks more.....fact is, they had trouble shifting the last of the 3-doors out the showrooms when everyone got wise to the fact the 4-door saloon was coming out .............just putting out FACTS
What was appealing about the 4-door, it was much the same mechanically? Let's face it, apart from leather trim it didn't really offer anything else on the gadget front. Fact is, some people preferred the less showy looks of the Sapphire shape, the practicality of 4-doors. People who might not bought a Cosworth because of the extrovert looks of the 3-door found there was a car for them in the Sapphire shape

If the 4-doors weren't popular, they wouldn't have sold 3 times as many.

I could have bought either shape when I got mine - the price difference was only about 1k more for an older 3-door at the time.

I appreciate they were the original incarnation of the car and what people associate with the name 'Sierra Cosworth'. First Cosworth I went in back in 87 as well; however I, like many others, prefer the 3 box look of the 4-door saloon and the fact it doesn't draw stares to the same extent

CRAIG HAYTER

"the 4-door saloon and the fact it doesn't draw stares to the same extent "

so basicly what you are saying it there not as nicethats because the 3 door has more carisma

and this

"If the 4-doors weren't popular, they wouldn't have sold 3 times as many."

they would have been better if there wasnt so many of themyour just digging yourself a hole budthats why the didnt make so many escos's because to keep less figures more rareras the same with the 3 door FACT

KSA-Cossie

iTrader: (4)

Not everyone wants the attention a 3dr or escos gets so saph fits the bill.

Mike1

Exactly what I'm saying.....

For some people the 3-door looks will be a pro........for others the 4-door looks will be a pro, the fact you can park it somewhere and most people won't even notice it.

I could afford a 3-door or RS500 if I really wanted one ...but I wont buy one as the Sapphire is available....simple as that.

I prefer the Escort Cosworth without the big rear wing on.

The OP was asking for PROS and CONS. The 3 door looks can be both ( to different people ) in just the same way as the 4-door looks can be a PRO to me and and a CON to Craig.

It's blonde or brunette type of question .........


Anyway PROS and CONS.

Sierra 3-door PROS
Motorsport designed front hubs
Proper hatchback flexibility
The Looks
More stable at higher speeds ( especially over 100mph ) because of the increased rear downforce from the wing - Cd was 0.345 on Sierra 3-dr and 0.33 on 4-door

Sierra 3-door CONS
Some body addenda are becoming difficult to source


Sierra 4-door PROS
Bigger rear ARB
Stiffer shell
Heated front screen
The Looks
Can come with leather as standard
Can come with air-con as standard

Sierra 4-door CONS
Less exclusive ( if that bothers you )




These are some of the changes from 3-door to Sapphire 2wd made by Ford. ( don't blame me if you don't agree with what is written - these were what Ford said they did! )

Obviously the 4-dr shell was stiffer which has to be taken into account.
Spring rates went up from 106 to 118lb/in at the front and 263 to 286 lb/in at the back.
Damper rates were made softer in bump and stiffer in rebound.
ARB was increased to 16mm on back
Castor increased by over one degree
Camber made fractionally more negative
Kingpin inclination made slightly greater.
Front knuckles re-designed to lower the front roll centre from 144mm to 70mm

Mike1

There was a reason they only made about 5500 3-doors Craig......and it wasn't anything to do with keeping them rare actually.

They had a contractual commitment to take more a lot more than 5500 engines from Cosworth - they only had to build about 5500 for homologation purposes. They changed to the 4-door shape to house the remaining engines for a few reasons, one of which was to do with production line constraints.
One of the other reasons was they were trying to move the image of the car upmarket into the junior BMW/Mercedes sector with the 4-door. People interested in that sort of car didn't necessarily want the 3-door looks/wing etc.
Have a read of the history of the Sierra and you will will see that those are the reasons they stated they did the change in body shape

CRAIG HAYTER

well Mike i say 3 door you say sapphire but your still wrongthe 3 door is stunning but i was out last night in the 2wd sapphire cossie iam using till my escos is getting work done on it and got to admit yeah i still love them but i for me it just doesnt have the WOW factor like a 3 door or driving a 3 door but it does still have the wow factor its a cossie at the end of the dayi feel that my 3 door handles great the sapphire is good but not as the way i would say the 3 door does it but thats moa it maybe some mods thats done to the 3 door iam not sure

Mike1

I appreciate what you are saying on the looks - if the only Cosworth made was a 3-door I would have one as I love the cars history and design - I just prefer my mechanicals packaged in the 4-door shell

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

Havnt read the complete post,but agree with col,would have a saff over an escos,or a 3dr,maybe im getting old,but they both seem to chav like to me,ppl asking why did you put a nice big spoiler on the back,plus i cant be doing with this 4wd,and 2wd saff's drive so nice,and whom in there right mind pays Ł10 + for a mk5 escort !!!!!!!!!!!

cheeRS stu

ps i can afford a 3dr and an escos,so im not saying in because in jelous

CRAIG HAYTER

3 door's aint 4x4 Stuand i think 90% of people would have an escos or a 3 door before a sapphirethe other 10% are sapphire ownersit wasnt chav when you had your 3 door though Stuwhen iam going to buy another cossie i would preffer to buy another 3 door that might be on the cards will need to wait and seePS Stu you are getting oldoj bud

scoooby slayer

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what a load of crap. i went from a 3 door back to a sapphire and the 3 door was a proper big spec to.

CRAIG HAYTER

then your just thick as fuck pure and simple!!!

once again sapphire owner

CRAIG HAYTER

would you get 15k for a big spec sapphire with out breaking it NO would you with a 3 door YES

as i have stated above sapphires are stunning cars so iam not dissing them iam currently driving a 4x4 and a 2wd so its not iam be biased

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

gobby cunt !

everyone will think different its personal preference.

but dont come across that saph owners havnt had a 3 door or escos cause its bullshit and you know it.

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

i bought and sold my 3 door for 10k. al rallysport built car that was runner up concours at ford fair 2002 or 2003 cant remember. there so dated interior aswell. late spec saph dash with leather and elecy sunroof is another thing i prefer bout my saph.

i could blow 20k tmrw on a big spec 3 door, but i dont want one.

CRAIG HAYTER

no a gooby cunt your the one coming on saying a load o crap when your talking pish and if you have a fkn problem then i can see you at a car show then we will see who is a wideo stop talking pish and go back to sleep fkn idiots like you need to wake up i didnt say they didnt did i...............no so shut your puss you clown!!!

CRAIG HAYTER

well thats nice to hear you had a nice 3 door but you still havent answered the qeustion would a sapphire cosworth make as much as a 3 door?

scoooby slayer

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i couldnt give you a kicking, judging by your grammer your about 12 and still at school

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

Wouldnt be my 15k in a big spec 3dr,dont even thing a rs500 is worth that,so many better cars out there for your money,and some body tell me,with out blinkers on why a 3dr is worth more and a better car than a saff

cheeRS stu

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

[quote=CRAIG HAYTER;4155904]well thats nice to hear you had a nice 3 door but you still havent answered the qeustion would a sapphire cosworth make as much as a 3 door?[/quote

if bought for the true value will sell for the same money so whats the difference ? just costs less to start with !

CRAIG HAYTER

no its fkn retards like you if i do see you at a car show i will smash your fkn skull in you idiot your the type of person that hides behind a computer screen acting the tuff man you fkn idiot

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

its not imo mate. saph is a better road car for me. i only had my 3 door a year and had enough of it. had my current saph 2 years and still loving it

CRAIG HAYTER

no of this shite till a prick like you comes on and thinks he's computer hard manyour a total wanker!!!

scoooby slayer

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you have no idea who your talking to. i can pm you my address if you like, as long as your older than your grammer looks then come see me anytime.

2wd

He he he.....so how is it that I dont count...? We also have people here who THINK that the 3door is the one to have ... but as we all (almost) know .. that is wrong

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

No matter which one you buy,you get the same enjoyment,i drive a cossie as im a boost junky,if i wanted a car for possing it wouldnt be an old ford of any kind,doesnt matter if it,s an old dog of a saff or a mint escos they all give the same buzz,as scooby slayer points out,alot of ppl think you drive a saff because thats all you can afford,i own a saff as it was the best shell i could find at the time,and i only had my 3dr craig,as i could get it on classic insurance at the time,,as i couldnt get a decent quote on any thing else with my driving record,and have always liked saff,s that why i had them when they were 3yrs old

cheeRS stu

cheeRS stu

ps go on the bmw m forum and you get the same post on whats best m3 ,m3 evo,e46 m3 etc etc

CRAIG HAYTER

imoa Stu its the iconic cosworth the firstplus an RS500 is an RS500 need i say any more?

Rod-Tarry

Well my qualificatiobns say im not thick & I can afford to buy whatever Cosworth i choose & that my outspoken friend is a RWD Sapphire .
3 door was their first attempt it looked good but was a god damm awfull car to drive, vastly improved with the Sapphire then they went gay with the 4x4 & then totally bent with the Escort .

If your a pansy the 4x4 or Escort is your choice.
If you like Bling that handles like a sack of shite then a 3 door will be ideal.
If you love driving & want to go fast then a rwd Saff is the weapon of choice,
SIMPLE !! .


ps. or it could be personal choice .

2wd

CRAIG HAYTER

trust me mate i can have people at your door no probs so dont come hard if you think your hard i battered bigger cunts than you just to get into a fight you clown watch how your talking to like that trust me

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

Craig yrs ago you could buy 500's for a lot less than 10k,in fact 5 yrs ago you could,why are they worth so much now,tell me,and whats special about them,i mean they all came off the production line as 3 doors,

rod quite agree mate

cheeRS stu

CRAIG HAYTER

is it everone has a go at Craig day?iam only stating imoa and iam just trying to put across my own oppinion thats all as i said i love sapphires aswell but for me its a 3 door thats all!!!

CRAIG HAYTER

IMOAbefore anyone else has a gothe rs500 is getting rarer obv and they were done at tickford also came with extra ie spoilers diffrent,8 injectors etc etc and for me its my all time fav maybe not everyone elses but is for me


all i have to say is iam on here to get along with people but theres nothing worse than some idiots coming on and talking to people ie in this case scoobyslayer saying iam taliking shite thats whats pissed me off as i dont know him he doesnt know me and so on i have my veiws and he has his but theres ways of talking to people instead of coming on like some idiot!!!

just wanted to get that straight

2wd

But thats just another 3door..with extras.....sorry couldnt resist...LOL

CRAIG HAYTER

i know you know your stuff Rod so i appreciate your oppinion as for Stu and others that are down to earth everyone to there own you may not like the 3 door for some reasoni do iam just saying from my view or in other words in my own oppinion and yeah i do like blingi like to have a clean car i would have to also say Rod that the 4x4 also does the same job as i have said iam currently driving a 4x4 sapphire and a 2wd sapphire imoa i would say 2wd is more fun but the 4x4 would take off the line better and handle better but thats imoa

CRAIG HAYTER

fk youoj bud