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Old 30-03-2009, 10:13 AM
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coudnt vauxhall and opel go there own way and seperate themselves from 'GM US'?.......
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who's going to buy them then?

tata are struggilng to fork out the money they owe ford for buying land rover off of them (or was it volvo they bought?) so no ones got any money now
Old 31-03-2009, 08:02 AM
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The motor industry is all fooked up.It will take ages to get it all back to normal,thats if it will go back to normal.
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Originally Posted by dojj
who's going to buy them then?
The UK government are considering a £750m downpayment....
Old 31-03-2009, 10:03 AM
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that is all about the american side of gm!i beleive the europeon side is in better nick i.e vauxhall and opel as they have a big market share !i am sure vx/opel would be ok
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The sooner Vauxhall dies, the better...
Old 31-03-2009, 11:52 AM
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but isn't vauxhall just an opel with a different name?
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Vauxhall are doing ok at the moment, in fact Vauxhall has seen more growth in market share in the last 12 months than any other car company in the UK.

Vauxhall is a viable business, irrelevant of what happens to its parent company, so I doubt it will suffer much, if GM goes bankrupt then Vauxhall will fall into the hands of the receivers and sold as a going concern im sure.
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dojj, They are all part of the GM family
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Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor.
dojj, They are all part of the GM family
They are each run as a seperate business though.
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Ironically, GM's salvation may lie with Vauxhall and Opel, the white is going to want to see radical changes at GM with how it does business, and importing vauxhall and opel cars from europe could be the ideal way to quickly create a GM brand of small economical cars which can fight it out with the likes of Toyota who currently have the lion's share of that market in the US.
Obviously if they did do this, then longer term they would move to US production of those cars, as the white house will want american jobs to be secured
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Chips speaking good sense there.I recently bought a vectra for my work (taxi) Choose it over a mondeo for a good few reason was a good 4 grand cheaper and mondeo keep needing bushes replacing every second week lol.
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But without GM for Research and Development, Vauxhall isn't viable.

That's why Ford and Fiat worked together on the 500/Ka, and previously Ford/VW/Seat on the Galaxy/Sharan/Alhambra.

Other examples include Peugeot/Citreon/Toyota, etc.
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i just happen to live very close to where gm make vauxhall and opel astras and everyone knows they are shut down cos gm can't sell cars and make a profit.
they have been bailed out with a dropsie from the usa goverment and the uk one i think has done them a grant, what are the dozy bastards doing with some of it ?????? getting the workers in to do fooking lego..... yes lego

nice to think tax payers moola is being spent by idiots to turn the workers into proper idiots also
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Originally Posted by focusjohn
Chips speaking good sense there.I recently bought a vectra for my work (taxi) Choose it over a mondeo for a good few reason was a good 4 grand cheaper and mondeo keep needing bushes replacing every second week lol.
but the flip sid eof that is that ford can flog their cars for the £4k premium over the vectra, thus giving the vectra an even cheaper image and even shitter reslae vaules

just look at the cossie and the cavalier gsi cars, the cossie holds it value and the gsi was worth about 20p bceause it was just a flash cavlier rather than a sports car dressed in a business suit

although i can see chips point about importing the smaller cheaper cars to the states, the b man is going to want to give the americans jobs so that is going to lead to the yanks building them rather than the brits

although i'm not sure about who it will translate to sales though as the exchange rates are all fucked up, you can buy a porche for about 10% less here than you can in germany where they are built, even after they've been shipped over
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Dojj, the cossie is totally different, go and look at a mondo and compare it to a vectra and see how much of its value its held onto out of that 4K premium.

hint: Fuck all
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Originally Posted by dojj

although i'm not sure about who it will translate to sales though as the exchange rates are all fucked up, you can buy a porche for about 10% less here than you can in germany where they are built, even after they've been shipped over
Dojjy

Karly is gonna tell you somthing you havn't probably heard before..............

lhd cars are usually cheeper cos they cost less per unit to develop,when porsche develop a rhd its going to a market that is more limited,it costs porsche more to bring a rhd version out so they stick some of that extra expense on the prices, loads of manufacturers do it aswell.

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if it was more expensive to buy a rhd porche then that would work, but it's 10% cheaper to buy a rhd porche than it is to buy a lhd one due to the exhange rate so how does that work

and talkinf of depreciation, 3 year old alfa berea for £10k is horrible depreciation
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Originally Posted by dojj
if it was more expensive to buy a rhd porche then that would work, but it's 10% cheaper to buy a rhd porche than it is to buy a lhd one due to the exhange rate so how does that work

and talkinf of depreciation, 3 year old alfa berea for £10k is horrible depreciation
thats in this country though where there is less demand for the lhd i think its ment as in a whole term in the world kind of thing
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Originally Posted by focusjohn
Chips speaking good sense there.I recently bought a vectra for my work (taxi) Choose it over a mondeo for a good few reason was a good 4 grand cheaper and mondeo keep needing bushes replacing every second week lol.
Youl be visiting the dealer more now you got a vectra then! upper rear arm bushes and coil springs are seriously common problems on them.
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Originally Posted by MJ_RST
Youl be visiting the dealer more now you got a vectra then! upper rear arm bushes and coil springs are seriously common problems on them.

not to mention EGR valves and crank sensors !
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Originally Posted by dojj
if it was more expensive to buy a rhd porche then that would work, but it's 10% cheaper to buy a rhd porche than it is to buy a lhd one due to the exhange rate so how does that work

and talkinf of depreciation, 3 year old alfa berea for £10k is horrible depreciation
cos at the mo the jobs knackered over here with porsches, my mate works at porsche chester and they were cutting right back,there sales fell like a piano from a top floor window.
the germans have that deal wher you can scrap your car and get a cracking good deal on new ones,the euro don't help either , our motor trade bosses would like to see the same
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