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Old 22-10-2008, 12:45 PM
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Default what aftermarket management do people run on their cossies?

as title, I've currently got l8 but am thinking of upgrading over Xmas
What do people run or recomend?
Also what's out there?
Omex
Emerald
Dta
Autronics
Pectel

And who can map all the above ecus?
Old 22-10-2008, 12:49 PM
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Pectel T6 - Harvey Gibbs for me .
Old 22-10-2008, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by stu21t
as title, I've currently got l8 but am thinking of upgrading over Xmas
What do people run or recomend?
Also what's out there?
Omex
Emerald
Dta
Autronics
Pectel

And who can map all the above ecus?
I think you will find all of the above have been used.

Are you going to map it yourself?
Old 22-10-2008, 01:46 PM
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autronics sm4 by MAD for me
Old 22-10-2008, 01:50 PM
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life racing f88 rs for me mapped by tommy field
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no i definately wont be mapping it myself. lol

i have been thinkin of doing it for a while.
then i thought about going dizzyless on the l8, but then by the time ive done that and paid for mapping its not much cheaper than buying new management.

ideally id like,
coil on plug or wasted spark at least
launch control
boost control changing with each gear
als ( not essential but you know)
nitrous control (again just incase)

but if i got 1 of the cheaper ecus like an omex i wouldnt know who to use to map it, and id like to go to some1 experienced on cossies but i can really afford pectel or autronics.
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I use omex on mine now, and a few others i have build, works REALLY REALLY good, but autronic, the new sweedish NIRA I3+, and some others i have messed arround with is all very good also

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Old 22-10-2008, 03:38 PM
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i also use t6 its got all the toys you will ever need .
built and mapped by harvey gibbs of scs 01733576614..
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T6 for me
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Originally Posted by gus
life racing f88 rs for me mapped by tommy field
pay the price though

t6 is very good
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Originally Posted by stu21t
no i definately wont be mapping it myself. lol

i have been thinkin of doing it for a while.
then i thought about going dizzyless on the l8, but then by the time ive done that and paid for mapping its not much cheaper than buying new management.

ideally id like,
coil on plug or wasted spark at least
launch control
boost control changing with each gear
als ( not essential but you know)
nitrous control (again just incase)

but if i got 1 of the cheaper ecus like an omex i wouldnt know who to use to map it, and id like to go to some1 experienced on cossies but i can really afford pectel or autronics.
thats most ecus described from cheap to exspensive there are plenty of omex/dta/emerald mappers about stu i dont really think that just because its a cossie will issue for mappng unless its a very high spec motor thatr needs attention whilst mapping
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
pay the price though

t6 is very good
yeh t6 is good i agree but for a road and partime fun track car waste of time and money
Old 22-10-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay.
yeh t6 is good i agree but for a road and partime fun track car waste of time and money
just an option if he's thinking of spending a bit of money then like i say t6 is very good, easy to use

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T6 is very expensive, what you do get is good build, but not much extra to anything else listed
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
T6 is very expensive, what you do get is good build, but not much extra to anything else listed
whats the cost of the others that are on par with it ?
Old 22-10-2008, 06:24 PM
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but what does a T6 give you what others do not?
Old 22-10-2008, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
but what does a T6 give you what others do not?
i dont know what other ecu's offer ...
thats why i ask what are the prices of other ecu's that are on par with t6 !
Old 22-10-2008, 06:39 PM
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well name the extra's a T6 has say over a Mega squirt, but egnore the build differance?

let me list a couple from MS, launch control, anit lag, hmmm automatic gearbox control. and you can add what T6 has extra and I will come back with what MS has.
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The point I am trying to make is unless your building a race or rally car for proper compition there is no need for a T6
Old 22-10-2008, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
well name the extra's a T6 has say over a Mega squirt, but egnore the build differance?

let me list a couple from MS, launch control, anit lag, hmmm automatic gearbox control. and you can add what T6 has extra and I will come back with what MS has.
when you say auto matic gear control ??
well it may be the same but
als launch control traction control
full throttle gear shift, revs per gear + boost per gear iirc
obviously then all the base fuel,ign,boost maps
then your multi maps
global maps.. ie global fuel adders water/battery blah blah
12 position boost control
twin maps ie race and super
talks with monitors
there is sooooooo much i really cant remember but i will add as i think of them !
Old 22-10-2008, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
when you say auto matic gear control ??
well it may be the same but
als launch control traction control
full throttle gear shift, revs per gear + boost per gear iirc
obviously then all the base fuel,ign,boost maps
then your multi maps
global maps.. ie global fuel adders water/battery blah blah
12 position boost control
twin maps ie race and super
talks with monitors
there is sooooooo much i really cant remember but i will add as i think of them !
12 position boost control??
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thanks Jimbo, but I can tell you 99% of those functions of covered by 97% of the above ECU's.

even MS may have even more as more and more people make ad -on's and software for them.

The major plus point with T6 is its a trusted and well know Motor sport ecu. Is it any more advanced than the above ecu's, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I think no.
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features are only a tiny bonus of ecu's, its all about thermal management!!!!
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
12 position boost control??
12 positions with different boost on each one
did i say it wrong lol ?
im sure that right 12 .. people use 3 more though but im sure there is 12 !
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Thermal management?

on the ecu or the engine?

to me that would be a feature?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
thanks Jimbo, but I can tell you 99% of those functions of covered by 97% of the above ECU's.

even MS may have even more as more and more people make ad -on's and software for them.

The major plus point with T6 is its a trusted and well know Motor sport ecu. Is it any more advanced than the above ecu's, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I think no.
i think its the way the ecu mapping is done which is quite appealing

t6 uses revs throttle angle and map or boost i think
other ecus dont use this
so sown to whos mapping and what they prefer at the end of the day i guess

Originally Posted by GARETH T
features are only a tiny bonus of ecu's, its all about thermal management!!!!
gareth can you explain a bit about what you mean by thermal mapping please im interested
Old 22-10-2008, 07:02 PM
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how well the ecu controls/compensates for changes in temperatures!
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
how well the ecu controls/compensates for changes in temperatures!
oh right this is all changable in the ecu though isnt it or am i off subject
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yes thats were a ecu will excel, spotting issues before the arise, that takes more proccesing power and shit loads more sensors.

how old is the T6?
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been around since the late group a escort cos days so 1996/7 onwards at a guess but like i say deffinately a guess !
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T6 can be had for not much these days too. I sold mine for Ł800. T6 2000 will be a little more expensive.

Cheaper ECU's are cheap for a reason. They have less development put into them. Although they have plenty of features, how well do they do it and how accurately can they do it and what engine protection measures do they have to make sure you don't cook your engine and turbo.
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T6 2000. Great piece of kit and easy to use.

Couple of other bits it does that I dont see above

EGR
Gear Position
BMW VANOS Control
Variable Valve Timning
Individual Cylinder Trim
Start Line Strategies
Pit Lane Speed
Rain Light Outputs
Fan Control
Shift Lights
Error Lights
Thermostat Control
4 Wheel Speed Input
Throttle Blip
Turbine Speed
Low Turbine Speed Warnings
4 position Boost (not 12 Jimbo) I think
Lap Beacon
Twin Lampda

About 1 million sensor inputs and engine protection related to most of the above.

Sure there is more and Gareth will know them all!

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you've played around with your software too much stu LOL
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
you've played around with your software too much stu LOL
There certainly is a few menus on Deskpro!
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i was addicted to it at one point LOL,,
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
i was addicted to it at one point LOL,,
Come on Gareth, I expected you to make a list at least as long as mine of stuff I forgot!!!!
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T6 does not allow 12 position boost control, only 3 points.

T6 are very good as are 99% of aftermarket ecu's, ecu's are only as good as the mapper, t6 is pub talk most of the time as 90% of people don't use the features it has over other cheaper ecu's.
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ive learnt new stuff since i last played with my ecu so the new info has pushed the old info out the other side of my head LOL
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Originally Posted by polly_x
T6 2000. Great piece of kit and easy to use.

Couple of other bits it does that I dont see above

EGR
Gear Position
BMW VANOS Control
Variable Valve Timning
Individual Cylinder Trim
Start Line Strategies
Pit Lane Speed
Rain Light Outputs
Fan Control
Shift Lights
Error Lights
Thermostat Control
4 Wheel Speed Input
Throttle Blip
Turbine Speed
Low Turbine Speed Warnings
4 position Boost (not 12 Jimbo) I think
Lap Beacon
Twin Lampda

About 1 million sensor inputs and engine protection related to most of the above.

Sure there is more and Gareth will know them all!
i think you could be right ... it is originally a 12 position but then stop pin is moved to four i think thats where im confused lol
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Originally Posted by Ryan
T6 does not allow 12 position boost control, only 3 points.

Its four! 0, 1, 2 and 3

.......and you can map gear position to any of those 4 points for gear specific boost control.


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