Council workers on strike tomorrow
15-07-2008, 09:23 PM
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Council workers on strike tomorrow
They want 6% pay increase 
Do some more work knob jockeys! lol 
I honestly cant see them getting it, if the Chancellor is saying for everyone not to have pay increases above the rate of inflation ow can he allow the local Govt workers to do the opposite?
Do some more work knob jockeys! lol I honestly cant see them getting it, if the Chancellor is saying for everyone not to have pay increases above the rate of inflation ow can he allow the local Govt workers to do the opposite?
15-07-2008, 09:42 PM
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It's not all of them.
GMB voted to accept the pay cut (well, it's below inflation yet again) only because most of the members can afford to go on strike for a pay rise. I hope Unison get somewhere then we might get a pay rise for a change not a real term pay cut.
As for do some more work. I was shovelling about 10ton of sand today (by hand) to replace sand bags for the next flooding episode. Last week I was up at 3am, 4am and 5am on diferent days to go to work and work from 9-12hours. Nothing out of the ordinary. We average 42+hours a week over the year, probably peaking at 70-80 in winter depending on the weather. So don't tell me to do some more work (although the overtime does come in handy for car parts
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Now bin men/recycling on the other hand........they're on task and finish, so get paid 42.5hours (drivers) but will probably be lucky to do 35hours- so agree with you there
(could cut theire staff by alot and still get the job don on time)
GMB voted to accept the pay cut (well, it's below inflation yet again) only because most of the members can afford to go on strike for a pay rise. I hope Unison get somewhere then we might get a pay rise for a change not a real term pay cut.
As for do some more work. I was shovelling about 10ton of sand today (by hand) to replace sand bags for the next flooding episode. Last week I was up at 3am, 4am and 5am on diferent days to go to work and work from 9-12hours. Nothing out of the ordinary. We average 42+hours a week over the year, probably peaking at 70-80 in winter depending on the weather. So don't tell me to do some more work (although the overtime does come in handy for car parts
)Now bin men/recycling on the other hand........they're on task and finish, so get paid 42.5hours (drivers) but will probably be lucky to do 35hours- so agree with you there
(could cut theire staff by alot and still get the job don on time)
15-07-2008, 09:53 PM
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15-07-2008, 11:03 PM
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Well Claire, my wife works as an accountant for north tyneside council and she leaves the house at 7am and gets home about 7pm so tell me she doesn't put the work in. She's pregnant at the minute and doesn't want / need to strike at the moment but forced to do so. She can go into work if she wants to because she's exempt with her been pregnant but doesn't want to cross the picket line so she's losing 3 days pay!!
16-07-2008, 09:24 AM
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Well Claire, my wife works as an accountant for north tyneside council and she leaves the house at 7am and gets home about 7pm so tell me she doesn't put the work in. She's pregnant at the minute and doesn't want / need to strike at the moment but forced to do so. She can go into work if she wants to because she's exempt with her been pregnant but doesn't want to cross the picket line so she's losing 3 days pay!!
I was originally told by Unison that I was exempt from strike action and that because I was pregnant I should NOT attend work and should stay at home so that I didn't have to cross the picket line and suffer any distress that this would cause.
At about 3pm yesterday our HR officer came and told me to pick up my exemption certificate from reception and that I would be required to come into work
I personally voted against strike action. I work as an accountant and I know how much money there is in a LA's budget to pay for salaries etc. Budgets are generally only increased by 2.5% so the 2.45% pay increase on offer is all that the Authority can afford without having to make service cuts or pay people off. The Government won't give additional funding to pay for a higher increase so it would be left to all LA's to find the cash to
pay it themselves.
I know that through Gershon etc we have helped the Government achieve billions in efficiency savings but fact is the Government aren't going to share those savings with public sector workers!!!!
I'm really pissed off to be honest, so much so that I've decided to come out of Unison and not be a member of any union. I can use the Ł20.30p that I pay Unison a month to try and recoup the money I'm loosing through taking strike action.
The way I see it now is that for years I've supported a union and gone out on strike whenever there has been a ballot for strike action and what for?? Someone who isn't in the union (and there are quite a few of them where I work) ends up getting the same deal as I do and they don't have to go on strike and lose their pay but I pay a monthly fee and lose my salary to benefit those who don't pay a penny or lose anything in the process. My pension although still good is massively different from what I originally signed up to, did Unison fight long and hard to save my rights and others in my position?? Nope!!
No more being a mug I'm afraid, time to join the clever people!!
Oh and sorry, rant over now, I'll climb down off my soapbox
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16-07-2008, 03:47 PM
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What happened last time the country was held to ransom by industries/people on strike? we were in the shit even worse back then so your logic doesn't work!!!
maybe you think Vince Mcmahon should run the country?
16-07-2008, 04:21 PM
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16-07-2008, 04:47 PM
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Like you know what a good days work is Rhys!! you knob jockey!!! lmao
16-07-2008, 04:48 PM
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Wow some people on here lack some humor. No one see the winks . I used to work for the council so yes i actually know what its like!
MAtt, 100% agree with you that imo inflation is a lot higher than the rubbish quoted by the govt.
And do you lot think every worker is getting nice big pay rises? The main point of the topic if some of you care to read again, is how can this possible be accepted when Allistar Darling is calling for companies not to give big pay rises. So if hes to stick to this the govt workers CANNOT have a pay rise. If they do well thats him humilliated imo and he should leave office.
Plus efficency savings, of course they wont share it out, if i put something forward to my business in saving x amount they wont give me a little bit of the. They just say thats my job doh!
. I used to work for the council so yes i actually know what its like!MAtt, 100% agree with you that imo inflation is a lot higher than the rubbish quoted by the govt.
And do you lot think every worker is getting nice big pay rises? The main point of the topic if some of you care to read again, is how can this possible be accepted when Allistar Darling is calling for companies not to give big pay rises. So if hes to stick to this the govt workers CANNOT have a pay rise. If they do well thats him humilliated imo and he should leave office.
Plus efficency savings, of course they wont share it out, if i put something forward to my business in saving x amount they wont give me a little bit of the. They just say thats my job
doh!
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), my rant wasn't aimed at you just with the whole overall strike situation. Apologies for not having a sense of humour about it all
16-07-2008, 05:26 PM
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Claire, things like this can always get heated. lol
Honestly cant see the pay rise happening. As you said where will the money come from, how can they go against the man with the money decision and finally anyone who know the basics of economics big pay rises could only make the current economic situation worse.
I know i need a pay rise, but even if had 10k pay rise, i still wouldnt have enough money lol.
Edited to say your pregnant :O when did that happen? did'nt relise, congrats btw!
Honestly cant see the pay rise happening. As you said where will the money come from, how can they go against the man with the money decision and finally anyone who know the basics of economics big pay rises could only make the current economic situation worse.
I know i need a pay rise, but even if had 10k pay rise, i still wouldnt have enough money lol.
Edited to say your pregnant :O when did that happen? did'nt relise, congrats btw!
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Cheers for the congrats, won't be long now before she's here, we both can't wait. I feel like a whale and I've definitely had days when I've looked better
But hey it's only for another 4 weeks. Roll on the 15th August
16-07-2008, 05:49 PM
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sadly it seems the people calling for the big pay rises aren't smart enough to realise that inflation and interest rates would have to go up if this happened, hence their cost of living would go up even more totally negating their pay rise
But hey, at least they'll think they're getting paid more
But hey, at least they'll think they're getting paid more
16-07-2008, 05:55 PM
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They deserve every penny, just coz some of you fel hard done by in your jobs doesn't mean anyone else should suffer - if you feel hard done by kick off at your employers, not other workers.
16-07-2008, 07:23 PM
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.... If you work for yourself/ a private company etc, you get paid overtime or you can do more work, most people who work for the public sector can't do more work to earn more cash... It is a viscious circle, it needs the government to stop wasting BILLIONS of our taxes on shit, not stop decent people getting a less than insulting payrise...
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[QUOTE=RWD_cossie_wil;3434821]If you work for yourself/ a private company etc, you get paid overtime or you can do more work, most people who work for the public sector can't do more work to earn more cash...QUOTE]
change job then, no one made you work in the public sector did they? Get a second job at nights if its that bad. Sell the car. I really don't see what peoples problems are they all want more money, everyones bills are going up not just theres.
change job then, no one made you work in the public sector did they? Get a second job at nights if its that bad. Sell the car. I really don't see what peoples problems are they all want more money, everyones bills are going up not just theres.
16-07-2008, 07:58 PM
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[quote=rssteve;3434897]
I'm on a good wage luckily, but open your eyes, if no one worked in the public sector, what would you do? No schools, no bin collections, no road maintainance, no police, no fire service , no ambulances/ hospitals... Very silly attitude IMHO. People simply want to be able to afford to live.
If you work for yourself/ a private company etc, you get paid overtime or you can do more work, most people who work for the public sector can't do more work to earn more cash...QUOTE]
change job then, no one made you work in the public sector did they? Get a second job at nights if its that bad. Sell the car. I really don't see what peoples problems are they all want more money, everyones bills are going up not just theres.
change job then, no one made you work in the public sector did they? Get a second job at nights if its that bad. Sell the car. I really don't see what peoples problems are they all want more money, everyones bills are going up not just theres.
16-07-2008, 08:03 PM
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A vast amount being spent pandering to the right wing fooking do-gooders, paying people who shouldn't even be in the country vast sums of money to live in our country and plan ways to bomb us . Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do
. Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do
16-07-2008, 08:11 PM
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A vast amount being spent pandering to the right wing fooking do-gooders, paying people who shouldn't even be in the country vast sums of money to live in our country and plan ways to bomb us . Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do
. Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do I know mate i know! I totally agree but like i say its always gonna happen! I think youve just to draw a line under that cash and ignore it! LOL Its too late to change it!
16-07-2008, 08:12 PM
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A vast amount being spent pandering to the right wing fooking do-gooders, paying people who shouldn't even be in the country vast sums of money to live in our country and plan ways to bomb us . Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do
. Or pay for some cunt of an MP's second home, they should live in barrack blocks in london like the forces do
16-07-2008, 08:14 PM
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[QUOTE=RWD_cossie_wil;3434913]
I'm on a good wage luckily, but open your eyes, if no one worked in the public sector, what would you do? No schools, no bin collections, no road maintainance, no police, no fire service , no ambulances/ hospitals... Very silly attitude IMHO. People simply want to be able to afford to live.
genrally imo of course the majoratory(sp) of people who do these kinds of jobs are the sort that lack self motivation, or even have the skills to do better more well paid jobs. I spent 4 years training for my job and work very hard everyday. What should someone whos only done very little or no training be entitled to more money than me? And it aint just people who lack skill that can earn good money. The local drain unblockers around here earn good money consider most don't have any training. Its the fact that they clean shit out of drains that gets them there money, they wouldn't earn that money if they were sat at a desk doing an easy 9-5 job would they!
Now if i wanted a payrise, i would go to my boss, and ask, if he said no or only offered me less than i wanted then i have 2 options, first would be to take what he was offering, the second would be to get a new job that paid what i wanted(of course this may not be available and i would have to earn what i was on before or retrain for a different job.)
I'm on a good wage luckily, but open your eyes, if no one worked in the public sector, what would you do? No schools, no bin collections, no road maintainance, no police, no fire service , no ambulances/ hospitals... Very silly attitude IMHO. People simply want to be able to afford to live.
Now if i wanted a payrise, i would go to my boss, and ask, if he said no or only offered me less than i wanted then i have 2 options, first would be to take what he was offering, the second would be to get a new job that paid what i wanted(of course this may not be available and i would have to earn what i was on before or retrain for a different job.)
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Yes its shit, but so is everyone else's 2.5% pay rise. do you not think it would be wise just to tighten the belt and soak it up while we go through a rocky patch instead of making things worse by demanding more money? wasting a load more money is hardly what the government can afford to do at present.
16-07-2008, 08:19 PM
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Surely you understand though that giving them a pay rise would be pointless? the cost of everything would have to go up so you'd just end up paying even more for your stuff! you'd be inflicting a higher cost of living on those in other areas who had even less of a pay rise than you!!
Yes its shit, but so is everyone else's 2.5% pay rise. do you not think it would be wise just to tighten the belt and soak it up while we go through a rocky patch instead of making things worse by demanding more money? wasting a load more money is hardly what the government can afford to do at present.
Yes its shit, but so is everyone else's 2.5% pay rise. do you not think it would be wise just to tighten the belt and soak it up while we go through a rocky patch instead of making things worse by demanding more money? wasting a load more money is hardly what the government can afford to do at present.
Anyway, it's all bullshit, the government has taxed us to absolute fuck and done FUCK ALL with the cash
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16-07-2008, 08:23 PM
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But, i still think people are going ott. Really, this crunch shouldnt effect you unless your moving house!
Fuel and foods gone up a tad...thats all i can see wrong!
16-07-2008, 08:25 PM
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Gotta say agree 100% with Matt here.
I think with my company i will only be getting offical 2% pay rise this year. (find out in few weeks) Ye it sucks, but to of set this i have been working my bollocks of over the last year and had a promotion so a few more k. But thats nothing to do with pay rise, that will be a crappy 2% i imagine lol.
Unfortunatley if they pay, taxes will have to go up to pay for it (govt dont magic money). Then Private workforce will need more money to pay for extra tax, then price of commodities will go up. For example i work in food industry so price of food goes up. Then we are all back to square one! Good old inflation, the enemy of an economy. (well low inflation is ok).
I just want to see how strong this Chancellor is, as in my book a BIG test of his credentials to lead through a rough time.
I think with my company i will only be getting offical 2% pay rise this year. (find out in few weeks) Ye it sucks, but to of set this i have been working my bollocks of over the last year and had a promotion so a few more k. But thats nothing to do with pay rise, that will be a crappy 2% i imagine lol.
Unfortunatley if they pay, taxes will have to go up to pay for it (govt dont magic money). Then Private workforce will need more money to pay for extra tax, then price of commodities will go up. For example i work in food industry so price of food goes up. Then we are all back to square one! Good old inflation, the enemy of an economy. (well low inflation is ok).
I just want to see how strong this Chancellor is, as in my book a BIG test of his credentials to lead through a rough time.