RSTsteve

Top stuff!

whilee

Well done Dave cant wait for the results

foreigneRS

you're taking it a bit out of context - chip was alluding to the fact that any old charlie attempting it is dangerous, but if the risks are minimised through an experienced team of people like in this case then it is ok

Physio

Good news Dave, cant wait to see the results

mk3cosworth

welldone, whens the mag out

Kevin Sharp

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post the results you fooking gaylordlike posting them up heres really gonna affect the sales of of pf mag you have put a fortune on the line for a mag to feature so post them


any way well done you are obviously pleased with the results

time to break it now before any more wallet raping????? (genuine question)

AndyBrew

pointless post, #### attention seekin whores,alert ####

Chip

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Yes, and I still feel the same, was saying to PF Dave today I really do wish everyone would just standardise on the mile instead, still proves who's car is quicker and is SO much less risky cause it gives you so much more braking distance.
Me and dave had a "moment" today that reenforced that belief even more (the moment was AFTER I was going on about it too, as that was at the photoshoot which happened first)

All you need to realise, is that if martin's tyre had held out for about 5 more seconds when it blew at 186, his car would no longer exist probably, THATS how close he came IMHO to a big accident, and thats THE best prepared cossie most people would say.
Another 5 seconds (my guess, havent got graph to hand) so that it blew right near where he was about to brake, and he would have had no chance of stopping on 3 wheels im sure, and you'd have even less chance with an ABS sensor going spastic at you on a lot of cars.

Its a VERY dangerous hobby potentially, but far more so for some of the other people doing it than the MAD and Reyland lads who's cars are well prepared.

One of the rs200's tested recently did his run with a nail in one of his tyres, ok the 200's dont actually go that quick cause of the gearing, but even still, thats pretty silly and I bet we will see FAR worse.
some of the vauxhalls that run are quick AND shonky for example.

Anyway, moving away from my fairly strong (and probably not interesting to anyone, lol) views on whats safe or not, it IS still a fantastic day out of course, and it was an honour and a pleasure to get to share todays MADness (in both senses of the word, lol) with Dave, thats certainly the quickest ive ever been on UK soil!

As for all the people telling dave to post the times, he's said to performance ford he wont, THEY own the times recorded today, as THEY paid for him to run the car, so direct your frustration at PF Dave, and maybe he'll buckle and tell you, it certainly never seems to hurt redlines or fastfords sales when they tell people things, but if its PF policy not to, PFDave is hardly going to risk his job over it just to shut a few people on a forum up.

I dont see the harm in DaveYum posting just to say he has beaten all his personal bests even though he isnt allowed to post the actual numbers yet, clearly from the replies some people are happy for him without needing to know the actual numbers, if you arent, then just leave the thread is best action rather than moaning surely?

Chip

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Essentially yeah, its dangerous when done right, its far worse when done with a cavalier attitude like some folks do.

As Rod always says, unless you've actually been on one of these runs at 190+, and probably even more so at 206 (which I havent, hope that doesnt give too much away about daves time, lol) its quite hard to comprehend the risks.

If dave had just gone out and done a 180 in yum, or even the 186 martin had a blowout at, there was still SO much runway left, that you would have lots of time to sort your mistakes, (this is why I think a measured mile would be SO much safer) but when you start using up every last 100 yards chasing the numbers, it doesnt take much to go wrong for it to be suddenly not enough space to stop, and today if we went through the barriers, there were half a dozen artics practicing manouvres in the car park for us to hit.

Like all risks, the key is risk management, and IMHO the best way to manage risks is to make a smaller % of the space for accelerating and a bigger % for braking, which is the same reason TOTB keeps getting shorter of course.

Nath

Very impressive times already, fair play and well done

dojj

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chip:
regardless of the battle to get the numbers posted (and if they say they aren't going to then fair enough) do you think if there had been no passenger it would have gone quicker?

or, at those power levels, do you think it would not have made a measurable difference?

and on a not so serious level, did the 200+mph cardigan make an appearance

Slevin Kelevra

love daves car and understand the reasons for not posting times. even if it is annoying

well done, hope the car performed as well as u had hoped dave.

Bullett

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you being a pisstaker or serious? if serious why?theres alot of interest in the car and what it can do.i dont mind waiting to find out the results myself








but,HELEN..if we cant know the times yum has done at full whack surely we can know what you took her to yourself rather than dave? please.

Stu @ M Developments

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Congratulation Dave and all concerned. Great to get some satisfaction from your projects.

Rod-Tarry

Must admit that I viewed the run from down the bottom for the first time a 190 flypass is very fast & took me by surprise looked faster than I had imagined & was able to see Dave getting out of shape under braking .
Helen was distressed as Dave went past, she also realised what was involved for the first time & we saw a few tears as he safely rounded the bend.

AJC

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congrats

fordsportjay

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hats off to all you top speed boys

cant imagine how it must feel at that sort of speed!

Steven_RW

There is no doubt that having the timing gear in the car and therefore braking as late as possible to get every mph is well dangerous in comparison to a set mile. It does require more driver skill/balls than doing the set mile which means u have to break at the same place each time.

Heading towards Schwedenkreuz at 160mph always requires some skill on the brakes, as does fuchsrohre. Both of which are driven at pretty deadly speeds.

All going well when someone out brakes themselves (its bound to happen eventually) they should only have a relatively slow impact as they will have shed lots of speed before it happens. Not much more dangerous than a race track. Every race lap at the ring when they go down the Dottinger Hohe main straight they are going rather quickly as they crest and head under the bridge. Same risks.

I'd love to try brunters in something fast. I would however, set a brake marker and check tyres every run nowadays.

Cheers

RW

Slevin Kelevra

I agree with u stevie and have said this to my bro loads of times when people say top speed runs are too dangerous. lapping a track at high speed is just as dangerous IMO. over 100mph in places and if u lose it, its straight into a barrier.

how many people are killed at the ring each year?? a few i would guess... but you dont get folk saying oooooh cancel ur ring trip!!

im not digging at anyone at all, just think people should look at it from both sides.

Chip

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Nowhere on the ring do you come from 200mph breaking down to a ninety degree bend, and you have got extremely safe (in a car not on a bike!) armco to hit, rather than stuff like manouvreing HGV's, ALL motorsport is dangerous so Im not saying the ring isnt dangerous, of course it is, but if given the choice of getting it wrong at the ring or at brunters, Id much sooner get it wrong (again, lol) at the ring personally.

Maria.

Well done!!!!

Steven_RW

Chip. I do agree, but a really fast car will be going VERY quickly down Schwedenkreuz. If I can manage 160. I bet I can't manage any higher at brunters. Agreed there is run off of a little bit of grass and some "very safe armco" (u try hitting that at 160 and discussing it as safe). I think they are both as bad as each other.

The difference being on the ring, u are dealing with other cars in close quarters, undulating tarmac, changing conditions, someone might have dropped oil, etc etc etc. You do the same lap over and over and over. Therefore risking it everytime.

The scary part about Brunters is that we have all gone very quickly on the road, but you do not regularly have to judge braking from 200mph to very low speeds. It tends to be 160 to 80 which is far far easier to judge.

I do believe that these fast cars that manage 200 at brunters, wouldnt be far off the same speed at SX and they have a blind crest, some bikers, and a race with a ring taxi to worry about. Followed up by this "blow out" we are all fearing, 20 yards of grass to slow down on, armco and then a flip into the trees.

Both are very dangerous and both are reasons why the little placard things say "Motorsport is dangerous"

RW

Chip

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Well I tested the barrier at about 80 odd and it barely hurt at all, lol, hitting an HGV head on, which is what Dave was facing yesterday, im confident, would of hurt far more.

My opinion is that its more likely to go wrong at the ring (because of all the factors your mention) but that when it does, you are more likely to walk away if you get it badly wrong than you are at brunters if you do so.

So effectively I think at brunters you have a lower % chance of having an accident, but a higher % chance of it being a bad one if you do.

The other thing you are missing with the ring versus brunters, is that most people going to the ring, arent really giving it 10/10ths with the outbreaking themselves into a corner, ive certainly never been round a lap in the ring with anyone who I thought was really pushing it on the breaking looking for every last yard of acceleration yet, as the difference with the ring is you can have an awesome day out without pusing it mega hard on the breaking, at brunters you cant as its all about that number you come away with, at the ring most of us dont even bother to time ourselves every time.

marco polo

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pmsl

Ollie.

Very true....

rapidcossie

If top speed runs were "standardisied" to a mile it would rule out ALL 2wd cars and make anyone with a 4x4 car need a 10k transmission.

Chip...you said Martins car is the best prepared cossie? I think it was far from it on the top speed runs as he was running track day tyres that had seen many a lap and they were not rated high enough either if I recall correctly???

As for prep I feel my car is one of the best as it has completly new tyres(of the highest speed rating) eveytime we go to brunters and it has also been at 195 on the rollers to test the tyres before we even set foot on the runway.

Rod-Tarry

mines over 200mph at the mile, Martin around 193mph so how does that rule out 2wd.

foreigneRS

that's not a very good test of tyre safety imo. i hope you didn't then use the same tyres on a topspeed run on the runway?

chip - i agree entirely with you having been a passenger on several top speed runs at bruntingthorpe. the braking at the end is the crucial part to leave as late as possible to eek out every last mph and is the easiest to get wrong. although i think in a lot of cases the getting it wrong would more than likely lead to a 40mph crash into a static object (although potentially something less crash friendly than a piece of armco at the 'ring which we both have experience of hitting and have luckily walked away without injury )

Smit

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Nice one Dave. Least the box survived this time!

rapidcossie

My car certainly wouldnt be competitive without speding thousands on a back beam etc etc so would rule me out along with anyone else with a standardish transmisson/car .

rapidcossie

the tyres get a harder tim eon the rollers than they do on the road so way I see it if they can survive the test on ther rollers they can survive Brunters.


The tyres were swapped before the top speed runs as we beleive tyres are THE most important part of the car after the brakes.

fuzzy

pages and pages of waffle with no actual substance again? post the results so everyone can see and comment on how good youve done without giving it all the "well done" shite without knowing whats actually been achieved.

Ollie.

Euan your car isnt going to beat Rods anyway so why waste time trying?



MAD YUM presumably you didnt break the 200 barrier if you're going for bigger turbos etc.....

rapidcossie

Im under no illusion that my car will beat Rod's as its far to expensive to go that fast mate.

If i won the lottery or came into money there is no reason why my couldnt challenge Rods.

Porkie

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Well done guys

Just post the results for everyone! Its SOOOO easy to find out if you want to. They are only a phone call or a PM away!!! you MUST know that?!?!?

PFDave... honestly mate you run a great mag and I think you are a top fella. But your policy on this one is wrong and very GAY..

by the time the mag comes out 75% of people on here will know and most people in the 'close Ford scene'...

We will buy the mag for the pics and to read and get a feel on the car and what went on that day...

In my view posting the times will have ZERO effect on sales and not posting them makes you and the mag look a bit sad, petty and out of touch to be honest...

Sorry mate.

JonnyBravo

Well said Porkie

rapidcossie

I have tried to find out the speed but havent been sucessful yet

col cos1

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totally agree

PF Dave

Is that why when most of the Future titles have a thrash or time something they make a song and dance about we won't make you sign an indemnity or anything but please don't post the times... happened last month on the Fiesta ST site with their thrash in FF as a recent example...

They want the same thing but don't ask people to sign an indemnity, that's our places policy but the end result is the same.

Again unlike some others I enlisted Andy's safety presence and vehicle etc which for a single car is extremely costly when you add that to the outlay of Brunters, and will get me in bother with the boss. So, on this particular occassion so I can reassure him that the extra outlay was worth it, or at least have a chance at that, not splashing what happened into the public domain and keeping some form of exclusivity to justify this cost isn't much to ask.

There's plenty more politics and budget malarky that goes into days like this behind the scenes that most won't be aware of and as said above this will go some way in keeping a lid on things from getting into the public domain, and also prevents me getting such a royal grilling - thus stopping days like this happening in the first place.

He's told everyone that's he's bettered all his previous best times, for the exact data, which I haven't even got off the timing gear yet, you'll get to see it all in the mag.

Incidentally, I personally don't think that not saying times affects sales as people seem to keep thinking, but why should loyal readers who pay to see in our opinion, the best and fastest cars either exclusively or before the rest as it were each month, get to find out results and breaking news after some non-readers on an internet forum?

PS. You're alright yourself! lol