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Old 27-11-2007, 08:20 PM
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after reading the money no bject dream garage thing was wondering if your numbers came up what would be the spec of your cossy!
Especialy intrested in what the tuners have 2 say!

Ive coped mike rainbirds over from the other thread 2 get it started!

1. Modification of all suspension to WRC spec, but made from Alumec instead of magnesium (due to fatigue problems, as Alumec is as stong as steel).
2. WRC active diffs and seqential FFD 6-spped gearbox.
3. 3 x T10 ECUs to run everything .
4. Dymag carbon wheels to lower unsprung weight.
5. Carbon roof to lower centre of gravity.
6. Carbon bonnet (painted white).
7. Have interior done in alcantara.
8. Car stripped to bare metal for full ground up restoration and rebuilt using replacement titanium nuts and bolts for EVERYTHING, re-wire car to remove anything unnecessary and to tidy up behind dash to achieve target weight of 1200kg and when rebuilding the car, build up and reinstall parts to achieve perfect weight distribution of 50/50 front to rear and left to right (with driver AND passenger).
9. Have floor plan re-engineered so it has a completely flat (carbon kevlar) bottom to aid down force / reduce drag.
10. WRC carbon rear wing / side skirts with camera built in and routed to screen built like rear view mirror.
11. Get Borg Warner to build me a variable vein turbo that flows 57lb of air (full boost from 2500 to 9000rpm).
12. Have a custom tall iron block cast (25mm taller), 93mm bore 82mm crank, 2225cc 1.93 rod angle and revving to 9000rpm, 600bhp and 450lb ft from 28psi.

Think that will do .
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Old 27-11-2007, 08:30 PM
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hadlands engine and box
active diffs
gt42r turbo
supercharger to spool it up
shell re skined with carbon
polly windows
and every thing else same as rainbird
Old 27-11-2007, 08:35 PM
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Seems a waste to have a flat floorpan etc to reduce drag but then have the WRC rear spoiler which gives the car incredible amounts of drag at very high speed?
Old 27-11-2007, 08:36 PM
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aparently it makes more down force and less drag than the cosworth one
Old 27-11-2007, 08:41 PM
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Still dont think the above spec cossie would hit 200mph at brunters, and purely because of that spoiler.

Id prob run it (along with the rest of the WRC kit) as it looks badass and wouldnt be arsed about it, but seems to go against the flat bottom floor mentioned, thats all.
Old 27-11-2007, 08:43 PM
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FMS Escort yellow Escort

Repainted in Blue


Old 27-11-2007, 08:43 PM
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Escort Cosworth shell

Aluminium SBF block say 460 CI (7.5 litre)
http://www.worldcastings.com/prods_p...eyFeatures.htm

http://www.worldcastings.com/prods_p...minumBlock.htm

Skyline box

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Old 27-11-2007, 09:00 PM
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an rs500 with 1000 hp and the best of everything
Old 27-11-2007, 09:36 PM
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an rs500 with 1000 hp and the best of everything
What the fuck thats like me saying id have a 1500hp escort with f1 bits!
And not explaning how the fuck u were going 2 achive this ! hopes and dreams ?

Any1 can say the best of everthing! the idear is 2 explane what ur best of everything is!
Old 27-11-2007, 09:39 PM
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mikes idea sounds good to me
Old 27-11-2007, 09:39 PM
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calm down dear, its only the internet
Old 27-11-2007, 09:50 PM
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Everything from that 760 hp Jenspeed RS200, in a 3 door shell.

(Including the BDA engine, which I know is not strictly cosworth!)

Or Rolf Klypen's 780 BHP Jenspeed 3 door.

Also I would rather have a box geared for ~ 160 and get there stupid fast than be able to do top speed. No disrespect to any top speed people, just doesn't float my boat. Midrange to be able to spank evos, porsches, astons etc does. In a 20+ year old ford.
Old 27-11-2007, 09:53 PM
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personaly id have the blue norweigian escort cossie, i know its grey now but id get it painted blue again & leave the 850 odd bhp engine in it with every thing thats on it
Old 27-11-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bigchez
Everything from that 760 hp Jenspeed RS200, in a 3 door shell.

(Including the BDA engine, which I know is not strictly cosworth!)

Or Rolf Klypen's 780 BHP Jenspeed 3 door.

Also I would rather have a box geared for ~ 160 and get there stupid fast than be able to do top speed. No disrespect to any top speed people, just doesn't float my boat. Midrange to be able to spank evos, porsches, astons etc does. In a 20+ year old ford.
If you had 750bhp+ itd not matter if your car was geared to 200+ if you just want to spank Evos, Porshes, Astons, you would anyhow.
And most the races ive had against REALLY fast cars often ended 160+ (clock speed) so topping out at that speed might not be a good look, esp as 750bhp+ going through the rear wheels means you prob wont have any grip till 160mph anyhow
Old 27-11-2007, 09:59 PM
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standard saff with veyron engine
Old 27-11-2007, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by bigchez
Everything from that 760 hp Jenspeed RS200, in a 3 door shell.

(Including the BDA engine, which I know is not strictly cosworth!)

Or Rolf Klypen's 780 BHP Jenspeed 3 door.

Also I would rather have a box geared for ~ 160 and get there stupid fast than be able to do top speed. No disrespect to any top speed people, just doesn't float my boat. Midrange to be able to spank evos, porsches, astons etc does. In a 20+ year old ford.
If you had 750bhp+ itd not matter if your car was geared to 200+ if you just want to spank Evos, Porshes, Astons, you would anyhow.
And most the races ive had against REALLY fast cars often ended 160+ (clock speed) so topping out at that speed might not be a good look, esp as 750bhp+ going through the rear wheels means you prob wont have any grip till 160mph anyhow
Ok, so i hadn't really thought it through!
Old 27-11-2007, 10:06 PM
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this

http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/display...2473&Picture=3


thats a proper group a cozzie
Old 27-11-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dovboy
standard saff with veyron engine

Cant see the diff lasting
Old 27-11-2007, 10:13 PM
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Stians original escort would keep me happy
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Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Originally Posted by dovboy
standard saff with veyron engine

Cant see the diff lasting
i promise not to dump the clutch!!
Old 27-11-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bbspolo
an rs500 with 1000 hp and the best of everything
What the fuck thats like me saying id have a 1500hp escort with f1 bits!
And not explaning how the fuck u were going 2 achive this ! hopes and dreams ?

Any1 can say the best of everthing! the idear is 2 explane what ur best of everything is!
how difficult to understand best brakes , suspension, jenspeed 1000bhp engine which there developing (no nitrous), modded rear beam conversion with 10.5 diff. you get the idea the best of everything to try and hold it all together in an old sierra.
Old 27-11-2007, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bigchez
Also I would rather have a box geared for ~ 160 and get there stupid fast than be able to do top speed. No disrespect to any top speed people, just doesn't float my boat. Midrange to be able to spank evos, porsches, astons etc does. In a 20+ year old ford.
Sounds a bit like standard Evo gearing and there's a lot of them running around that kind of power level nowadays

Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Stians original escort would keep me happy
good call
Old 28-11-2007, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cozzfather
this

http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/display...2473&Picture=3


thats a proper group a cozzie
Ah fcuk it,i'm getting bored with group a cozzies, what i really
need is this one, and the fella in my sig is selling it
http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/rally-cars/7684.html

ex works wrc
Old 28-11-2007, 01:36 AM
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I think andyg is just about to build it, but would mibi go ffd box with active diffs.

Or if it had to be based on an original cossie then a escos with front spaceframed to alow fitment of ava's twinturbo set up, ohlins shocks ,ffd box ,active diffs ,carbon wrc style body work and 19" mag centerlocks with 380mm 8 pot brembos front and 355mm 6pots rear.
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Seems a waste to have a flat floorpan etc to reduce drag but then have the WRC rear spoiler which gives the car incredible amounts of drag at very high speed?
Stav,
The flat floor reduces drag AND increases down-force, so at higher speeds, it would accelerate through the air faster, as well as being more stable and pinned to the track with actual positive down force. The fact that my dream spec engine only produces 600bhp (approaching the limit of the Mountune roller barrel intake) should have indicated to you that 200mph top speed was immaterial to me (although the gearing and revs it would pull would give it the potential to do so with 150bhp more power ).

As to your comments about the rear spoiler, again as has been said, the WRC item gives more downforce AND less drag than the original . However, I believe that Martin will be the proof of the pudding with his 700+ bhp engine, as his is geared for dead on 200mph at just over 8000 revs .

My dream spec was for my own personal remit, which is a devastating track car that car be driven in (relative) comfort on the road.
Old 28-11-2007, 10:29 AM
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Put me down for one of Mikes versions... - In fact, sod it, I'll have 2
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Stians original escort would keep me happy
Exactly
Old 28-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cozzfather
Originally Posted by cozzfather
this

http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/display...2473&Picture=3


thats a proper group a cozzie
Ah fcuk it,i'm getting bored with group a cozzies, what i really
need is this one, and the fella in my sig is selling it
http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/rally-cars/7684.html

ex works wrc
would love that car

Originally Posted by Rolls
Put me down for one of Mikes versions... - In fact, sod it, I'll have 2
i just want the Turbo!
Old 29-11-2007, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
Originally Posted by cozzfather
Originally Posted by cozzfather
this

http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/display...2473&Picture=3


thats a proper group a cozzie
Ah fcuk it,i'm getting bored with group a cozzies, what i really
need is this one, and the fella in my sig is selling it
http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/rally-cars/7684.html

ex works wrc
would love that car

Originally Posted by Rolls
Put me down for one of Mikes versions... - In fact, sod it, I'll have 2
i just want the Turbo!
At the moment, it doesn't exist anywhere other than in my mind .
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well you know how i feel about it after our phone convo the other night
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Still dont think the above spec cossie would hit 200mph at brunters, and purely because of that spoiler.

Id prob run it (along with the rest of the WRC kit) as it looks badass and wouldnt be arsed about it, but seems to go against the flat bottom floor mentioned, thats all.
It would with my engine .
Old 29-11-2007, 09:28 AM
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bleed valve, bomz kit, ebay resistor mod, 500 shot of NOS (dry kit), reinforced welds on the intake, and the 'Mo'tech exhaust system
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Don't know about a cossy but I came across this going through the links

http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/race-...cars/7418.html


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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Stavros
Still dont think the above spec cossie would hit 200mph at brunters, and purely because of that spoiler.

Id prob run it (along with the rest of the WRC kit) as it looks badass and wouldnt be arsed about it, but seems to go against the flat bottom floor mentioned, thats all.
It would with my engine .
No it wouldn't, unless I changed the final drive back to standard to suit your rev range .
Old 29-11-2007, 11:36 AM
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Silly question, but why the 3 T10's? are they unreliable and you need to cary a spare?

And dont go for active diffs....modern WRC cars are now back passive....thank fook.....
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
And dont go for active diffs....modern WRC cars are now back passive....thank fook.....
isnt that because they was banned,, and not because they wanted too?
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I'd go for a standard small turbo Escort, remaining near to it's original power level, and have it over-engineered, so that the likelyhood of it breaking down is minimal.

It would be used as a road car so the brakes, tyres and suspension would be of a high standard and set up to compliment each other. The body of the car would be refreshed and stiffened (but not considerably so). Wiring would be renewed. Finally, a high quality ICE setup would be installed - just four good speakers and a one reasonable sub tucked away in the boot.

With that all done, reliable endless enjoyment would be mine.


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