ImaRacing 700

...Well....after 2 maps from Karl which failed to run the car and that aint a diss as S8 is new to him he tells me now!.......So i have used Simons base map with parts of Karls map......and wehey the map is now very very nice off boost,showing great AFR readings and generally smooth ....TBH its a pig to map as its all fooking numbers on DOS and makes your eyes go fuzzy

Fueling at the moment is a tad rich i guess at tickover around 6% co but hardly dangerous....but its a laboureous task of keep editing the figures I can see why Stu is mostly uptight,if he has too do the same x so many maps..least i only got one

So again SECS is proving a cool thing to have.......i can see why tuners have base maps and tweak accordingly as to write it from scratch would take fooking years ......I pity the bloke that invented the map


So Karl thanks for the initial help,but i am going it alone now that i am beginning to understand how it all works, so disregard e-mails,look after simons map i sent and use it on your next S8 experience,i could see where you went wrong...and can understand as arnt weber files hex???So converting a fuel table was imppossible surely???Ignition maybe easily converted.

Glenn5

i had secs 2 day aswell 4 a diagnostics check over but will be having it fully installed very soon simons a top bloke he came 2 my aid very quick too

brad

glad its all going well phill , after all the grief your old you gave simon i think it shows he's a pretty good bloke good luck with the mapping be great to see a diy cossie doing good things

Jim Galbally

why oh why oh why do people EVER try and help you

Karl

Sorry mate the file I sent you is an excellent map, you simply have'nt setup everything right obviously.

8 injectors on S8 is new to me NOT S8. This means I was unsure of how S8 worked regarding bank switching. This means that if this is not configured correctly the injector durations will be wrong as the durations shown are total on time for all 8. Have a look at how simon has configured the ecu to run 2 banks, and apply this to my map.

The second map I sent you has a reduction in part load fueling similiar to a std cosworth engine, the 1st map being a touring car spec map.

I suggest you look into getting my map working first before you decide its no good!!

ImaRacing 700

Karl in all fairness if your map was correct it would have run the car!..I have made a map from yours and Simons and got a very nice running car..so thanks for that,genuinely.

So Simons runs it

My map runs it

Your 2 maps dont..how can that be a user fault?

Of course your maps are excellent on Weber!But i think the translation has fooked em up..rather than anything i am doin as you have mapped it using the S8 so everything is configured as YOU programmed it....i have sent you Simons map so if you can modify that then great then lets see wether it starts the car.

This is in NO WAY a diss even though YOUR claiming its a user error,more like as you admit its YOUR error due to not knowing about the 8 injector switching.

I am very happy with your input so far

Thanks Mr Spock (Jim) as usual your input was technically to good for me

Chris Honeywell

Just saw simon hour ago paid deposit for the S8 ECU hope to have it fitted next weekend...
Jim is right though

Jim Galbally

ok phil, how about a bet...

you send ME (who has absolutely NO experience with mapping a car WHATSOEVER) both maps and we'll see if i can tell you what you are doing wrong...

this way youve got someone completely unbiased who doesnt get on with yourself OR karl seeing if youre talking shit or not i just REALLY wanna see if its blindingly obvious why it dont run or not... lol

remember, i have NO experience with mapping a car or anythng, i'm just your average joe of the street who has a knack at working things out, and has experience with computers

go on, i DARE you...

ps if phil does decide to let me have a quick butchers NOBODY is allowed to PM me and help me

ImaRacing 700

Well Chris as its a mappable ECU do not even attempt to fiddle without det cans or AF meter.....and if you are not going to touch the map and let someone else do it..why buy it?

I fully appreciate all help given thankyou...its just a little odd that i can get my own map running and Simons 2 maps and yet Karls wont work but i get the blame for doin something wrong

Thrush

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ImaRacing 700

BTW the map i am claiming is mine is by using Karls base map...i just knew where it all went wrong...well figured it out today

So Jim no need to offer your services,it was due to Karls lack of knowledge re the 8..as he admits himself.

I am still very happy with your input Karl...and i hope you are happy with the fuel pumps...i do hope this post doesnt sound like diss

ImaRacing 700

Incidentally Karl the answer was in your fuel map after i compared it with Simons i could see it was running way too lean!

markk

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fpmsl at this


phil telling karl where his maps have gone wrong

ImaRacing 700

Markk........its not Karls fault he wasnt fully up with S8 but the actual weber map is mint...thats what he knows..remember S8 is new and i have actual live maps made on S8...so its relatively easy to see the problem.

I really hope it dont sound like i trying to belittle Karl I aint......and i expect the mods i have made will melt the engine

ADUSR33

karl do u ever ask yourself "why the fook do i bother"?

AndyRST

TBH i cant see Karl sending you a Map that he's not sure on it working.

The way i understand Karl to work is doesnt touch anything he's not 110% sure on. The reputation Karl has is if he's touched it, worked on it, made it then its tested 100%

McPikie

FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT

CozzyBrom

have you say immy your talkin out ya ass again
karl is very clued up for s8 he did my map from scratch and it fired 1st time we changed 5 perecent globel fuel and it was mint
allort better than armeds set up porkies ran of the scale on the lamda on tick over it would not start

so you must of done somthing wrong with yours

warleydaddy

I aint sayin SHIT mutha fuckers!!!

Pete...

Jim Galbally

so after 2 days you finally looked at the fuel map and realised all the values on it were more or less HALF what they were on the other map? did you not think to check that in the 1st place?

i think you just fancied having a dig at Karl...

only thing is, nobody cares what you say about anyone anyway

ImaRacing 700

Ok...for the haters and people who are just here to wind me up.

The story..the TRUTH.

So i get on to Karl and he says he can do a map easy peasy..brilliant....so the cost..a Grp A fuel pump...no probs....get a map car wont run,BUT LISTEN UP THIS IS MY FIRST DAY OF OWNING A MAPPABLE ECU...and i am expected to know EVERYTHING .....So...listen to THIS scenario..ESCPECIALLY SPOCK...what if Simon hadnt given me a proper map in the first place so i could COMPARE???Eh i wouldnt have a clue thats what....so Karl sent me another one..still the same.. THATS when i looked at the 2 maps and figured it out...not bad really as is was only my 2nd day of mapping which i was told took years to master..so a big clap to me.

THE POINT BEING WHY SHOULD I OF HAD TO ADJUST ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE TO GET THE CAR RUNNING IF HE KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT S8 LIKE YOU LOT CLAIM

Unfortunately you lot winding me up..and i know its a wind up as you can blantently see my point,BUT you continue to bad mouth which makes me come back and it gets worse for Karl. and thats to YOU lot i wont get anymore help ...He knew from day 0ne that i was going to tell my experiences..and i beleive many who arnt commenting are genuinely interested......

I can see that Karls map is far suited to my engine than Simons...if not a little TOO safe!...

I can tell you this for SURE that not many can WRITE maps from scratch as this is a masters job...but modifying base maps isnt!

PS...a special for Jim.....as you keep following me around all the time sticking your geek beak in....i will let you lick my shoes clean when we meet as i am obviously your hero!

TILLIO

@ this thread

sunny

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Cant stay silent anymore.......

Phil,
I am glad things are going well.. please just be carefull and take your time
and the results will be worth it.
Karl and I had a discussion about how the S8 works in 8 injector mode
and to be fair to him it is completely different to Weber/Pectel operation.
Even had me pulling my hair out for a while during development.
It is difficult for anyone to remote map/guess data values as most engines are
tuned for what they need not always what you think they need which is
why live mapping is essential for best results.



Everyone,
I genuinely believe here that Phil (BoschMan) was in no way dissing Karl.
I would like also to thank Karl for helping out Phil and indirectly
me/SECS for that matter.
Also thanks to ALL those who have put faith in this product.
Nuff said....

Deano

Hows the Duke phil ?

ImaRacing 700

At last someone who can see things in reality Jim you in particualar should be ashamed of yourself as you are the one making Karl look bad..read digest you may learn ...burn baby burn


Deano the duke is covered up asleep till next year

Deano

Thats the trouble with them early bikes matey , slightest wiff of rain and they spit their dummy out

ImaRacing 700

Fook off

Porkie

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Sorry Brom, but Ahmed had nothing to do with my map. Harvey mapped the engine BUT he ONLY mapped it on WOT due to time constraints, so thats why it has sooo many running issues. Martin has now sorted the idle and Karl is working on perfecting the rest of the map right now

Karl

Hello everyone,

As I am a little pissed off with any negative comments towards my map for phil I shall set the record straight as it stands.

Simon told me to map phils fuel map representing one large injector (i.e. the inj on times represent all 8 inj's working) and that the banks be set to 50/50%.

This is what I did, but would not run phils car.

Phil sent me the map that Simon had supplied to run 8 803's and it is'nt mapped in the same way Simon told me too!!!!!!

Phils (simons base 8 803) is mapped to represent only one set of 803's with the injector times repsenting one set of greens (i.e. double my map as I was told to represent all 8 inj working).

I'd like to see Simons comments on this as I specifically emailed Simon to ask him this.

ImaRacing 700

people were ganging up on me Karl not you..as you are God and can do no wrong in some eyes.....i knew i was doing anything wrong but try telling that to the blinker brigade

CozzyBrom

sorry porkchop who ever map it was and am not having a dig at y one am just saying mine ran mint at idle

Jon ERST S2

Phil - are you using the Anti lag on it or you mapping it without first?

ImaRacing 700

Without first Jon...as it aint avaliable yet!!!

foreigneRS

when you sort the wheat from the chaf in this thread, it is actually interesting for some

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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I have replied to this on the other BoschMan/SECS thread...

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...131916#1131916