Nitrous is it cheating
28-09-2004, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon ERST S2
I just wish some of you guys would post some decent stuff.
28-09-2004, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dumped
still dont know what competition you are in as set competitions usually have clear have rules?
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28-09-2004, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by justin.e
rod;
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
28-09-2004, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by justin.e
rod;
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
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28-09-2004, 12:58 PM
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Nope, Martins used race fuel a few times. 1. because it makes more power and 2. because its much safer...
well said porkie, the expense of race fuel asa saffety margin is worth it in its self
re simons,
he didint need nos at 730hp on race fuel
28-09-2004, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by justin.e
rod;
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
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28-09-2004, 01:03 PM
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In no way is Nitrous 'cheating' unless a competition rule states 'NO NITROUS'
NOS as pointed out, is just another form of forced induction, as is supercharger/ blower or turbo.
You cannot get a 600bhp engine then just add NOS. It would blow up.
You must engineer the motor properly, set up the NOS properly, If you run to much for example, you'll contaminate the oil with fuel as it blows past the rings, and can cause the oil in the sump to catch fire.
It is not risk free.
With or without NOS 200mph well done.
NOS as pointed out, is just another form of forced induction, as is supercharger/ blower or turbo.
You cannot get a 600bhp engine then just add NOS. It would blow up.
You must engineer the motor properly, set up the NOS properly, If you run to much for example, you'll contaminate the oil with fuel as it blows past the rings, and can cause the oil in the sump to catch fire.
It is not risk free.
With or without NOS 200mph well done.
28-09-2004, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
well said porkie, the expense of race fuel asa saffety margin is worth it in its self
28-09-2004, 01:06 PM
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Nitrous isnt cheating, but i have more respect for a car that does the performance/power without it.
Ive not got a real problem with non roadlegal tyres providing people dont try n compare the times to cars on road tyres.
Only things im REALLY not a fan of on "road cars" is race fuel of any kind, and trailered "road cars" that are never used on the road in its full power mode.
A)- That really makes it a non road car IMO as its not a simple operation to switch from your usual fuel to race fuel, and just encourages trailered cars, which makes it a non road car IMO.
B)- Most mental "road" cars that always run on race fuel at events these days are MADE to run race fuel (comp ratio etc) and when on pump fuel they make fuck all power and can run fuck all boost compared to when on race fuel.
Ive no problem with race fuel if you dont mess with the ign map, ie just as a safety measure if you was doing a top speed run at brunters, but most cars these days do it to make their power as they cant on pump fuel...
Just for the record my car is being specced so can run full power/boost (2bar+) on pump fuel as i want a "road" car, and it will be used on the road at full bore.
Also wouldnt rule out Nitrous in the future either (bloke whos doing my engine wants me to for the strip as he has good results from a small shot, but im resisting for now).
And car has roadlegal tyres (albeit drag ones) but id also not rule out using some MT baloon drag tyres which are blatantly not road legal but some Supras used them at TOTB3 and a fair few other events so far this year...
Ive not got a real problem with non roadlegal tyres providing people dont try n compare the times to cars on road tyres.
Only things im REALLY not a fan of on "road cars" is race fuel of any kind, and trailered "road cars" that are never used on the road in its full power mode.
A)- That really makes it a non road car IMO as its not a simple operation to switch from your usual fuel to race fuel, and just encourages trailered cars, which makes it a non road car IMO.
B)- Most mental "road" cars that always run on race fuel at events these days are MADE to run race fuel (comp ratio etc) and when on pump fuel they make fuck all power and can run fuck all boost compared to when on race fuel.
Ive no problem with race fuel if you dont mess with the ign map, ie just as a safety measure if you was doing a top speed run at brunters, but most cars these days do it to make their power as they cant on pump fuel...
Just for the record my car is being specced so can run full power/boost (2bar+) on pump fuel as i want a "road" car, and it will be used on the road at full bore.
Also wouldnt rule out Nitrous in the future either (bloke whos doing my engine wants me to for the strip as he has good results from a small shot, but im resisting for now).
And car has roadlegal tyres (albeit drag ones) but id also not rule out using some MT baloon drag tyres which are blatantly not road legal but some Supras used them at TOTB3 and a fair few other events so far this year...
28-09-2004, 01:13 PM
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i wouldnt say it is cheating BUT i would rather have a engine making the power without to a certain degree hence why i sold my nos cos i could get the power i wanted without oh yeah and ists so fookin expensive to fill on bottle 11lb in 2days good topic aswell rod 
hence why i sold my nos cos i could get the power i wanted without oh yeah and ists so fookin expensive to fill on bottle 11lb in 2days good topic aswell rod
28-09-2004, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Anyway, nothing is cheating unless you get found out .
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28-09-2004, 01:21 PM
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i chose nitrous becasue it was a cheap way to get a good ammount of power from my NASP engine... any other tuning methods would have cost me THOUSANDS to get the same sort of power...
still not cheating tho... if i beat you, then i beat you... fair's fair who cares how i did it?
only downside is i now love the power so much i want to get the engine producing that same power all the time, so will probably end up spending loads of money on the engine anyway
still not cheating tho... if i beat you, then i beat you... fair's fair who cares how i did it?
only downside is i now love the power so much i want to get the engine producing that same power all the time, so will probably end up spending loads of money on the engine anyway
28-09-2004, 01:24 PM
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i chose nitrous becasue it was a cheap way to get a good ammount of power from my NASP engine... any other tuning methods would have cost me THOUSANDS to get the same sort of power...
still not cheating tho... if i beat you, then i beat you... fair's fair who cares how i did it?
only downside is i now love the power so much i want to get the engine producing that same power all the time, so will probably end up spending loads of money on the engine anyway
still not cheating tho... if i beat you, then i beat you... fair's fair who cares how i did it?
only downside is i now love the power so much i want to get the engine producing that same power all the time, so will probably end up spending loads of money on the engine anyway
28-09-2004, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Anyway, nothing is cheating unless you get found out .
. so funny
28-09-2004, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by justin.e
rod;
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
congratulations on topping the 200 figure and I mean that!
in my view the record at brunters(per ford)was always done on pump fuel so in this context yes I think its a cheat(my view)
again fair play but i still think the car without the nos is superior!
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28-09-2004, 02:03 PM
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gus, i drove my 1st ever cossie the other day... fookin HATED it... lol
i thought i'd dislike them somewhat, but didnt realise JUST how shit they are off boost
i got beat off the line by a micra that wasnt even trying... no shit! and that was on full throttle!
sod driving that to work and back every day
i thought i'd dislike them somewhat, but didnt realise JUST how shit they are off boost
i got beat off the line by a micra that wasnt even trying... no shit! and that was on full throttle!sod driving that to work and back every day
28-09-2004, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
gus, i drove my 1st ever cossie the other day... fookin HATED it... lol
i thought i'd dislike them somewhat, but didnt realise JUST how shit they are off boost i got beat off the line by a micra that wasnt even trying... no shit! and that was on full throttle!
sod driving that to work and back every day
i thought i'd dislike them somewhat, but didnt realise JUST how shit they are off boost
i got beat off the line by a micra that wasnt even trying... no shit! and that was on full throttle!sod driving that to work and back every day
28-09-2004, 02:10 PM
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Was it ginges? If so that car sounds like a sack or bad running shit so what you expect.
And they will be shit if you drive round at low revs, any car is apart from massive capacity engines.
I never used to have a problem with getting beat by micras off the mark, i think your just a bit lame there jimmy, lol
And they will be shit if you drive round at low revs, any car is apart from massive capacity engines.
I never used to have a problem with getting beat by micras off the mark, i think your just a bit lame there jimmy, lol
28-09-2004, 02:14 PM
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Was it ginges? If so that car sounds like a sack or bad running shit so what you expect.
And they will be shit if you drive round at low revs, any car is apart from massive capacity engines.
I never used to have a problem with getting beat by micras off the mark, i think your just a bit lame there jimmy, lol
And they will be shit if you drive round at low revs, any car is apart from massive capacity engines.
I never used to have a problem with getting beat by micras off the mark, i think your just a bit lame there jimmy, lol
id like to see the qtr mile times for jims then tell me its quick
28-09-2004, 02:33 PM
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gus, i'm at the fordsport ND all this weekend and will be getting some times with and without the nitrous to show y'all.
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights
but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel
28-09-2004, 02:33 PM
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shouldn't there be 2 sets of times for brunters then?
when mike and bruce were banging heads a w years ago these cars drove to and from most meets...proper road cars!
i know top speed at brunters is hard no matter what way its done but shouldn't times be put into perspective
when mike and bruce were banging heads a w years ago these cars drove to and from most meets...proper road cars!
i know top speed at brunters is hard no matter what way its done but shouldn't times be put into perspective
28-09-2004, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
gus, i'm at the fordsport ND all this weekend and will be getting some times with and without the nitrous to show y'all.
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights
but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel 
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28-09-2004, 02:38 PM
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You shouldnt need any classes - just enjoy yourself - go as fast as poss
Main thing is there are different cars running different stuff - its mostly catalogued in specs etc so people in the know can judge achievements for themselves against different specs.
Unless your a groupie hunter justin LOL
Main thing is there are different cars running different stuff - its mostly catalogued in specs etc so people in the know can judge achievements for themselves against different specs.
Unless your a groupie hunter justin LOL
28-09-2004, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
gus, i'm at the fordsport ND all this weekend and will be getting some times with and without the nitrous to show y'all.
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel
cossies are still horrible... having to change down a gear to accelerate on the motorway... wtf is all that about... i wanna be able to put the car into 5th gear and 30mph and never change unless i stop at some traffic lights
but then ive always had 3 litre(ish) cars so i'm used to that i s'pose... maybe i should buy a turbo diesel 
28-09-2004, 02:41 PM
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Needing to change down to overtake on the M-Way in a cossie? How goddamn slow was you going?
With my cossie you could use part throttle and still accelerate hard, get loads of boost (20psi+), and pull 6k+ in 5th.
That car sounds like its setup soo bad, or jus plain wank.
With my cossie you could use part throttle and still accelerate hard, get loads of boost (20psi+), and pull 6k+ in 5th.
That car sounds like its setup soo bad, or jus plain wank.
28-09-2004, 02:43 PM
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jim is that the first cossie you have drove?????? the problem is u have no idea how to drive 1 and that is not a dig mine runs 12.7 when it was stg 3 hardly a slouch is it then i saw john with m600 doing mid-high 14's all about how u drive it m8 and theres no need to change gear all the time if the car is specced right which it sounds like ginges isent sorry ginge eveny my t4 powerd 2wd was not that bad as it was correctly specced 
which it sounds like ginges isent sorry ginge eveny my t4 powerd 2wd was not that bad as it was correctly specced
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Hi All...
Do you think it's cheating to add a turbo to a normally aspirated engine , of course not....I think that answers the question "is it cheating to add NOS to a turbo engine"
Well done Rod....even if you always look a mess ( Chocolate all down ya front, don't tell the wife
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Cheers Malc
Do you think it's cheating to add a turbo to a normally aspirated engine , of course not....I think that answers the question "is it cheating to add NOS to a turbo engine"
Well done Rod....even if you always look a mess ( Chocolate all down ya front, don't tell the wife
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28-09-2004, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by justin.e
shouldn't there be 2 sets of times for brunters then?
when mike and bruce were banging heads a w years ago these cars drove to and from most meets...proper road cars!
i know top speed at brunters is hard no matter what way its done but shouldn't times be put into perspective
when mike and bruce were banging heads a w years ago these cars drove to and from most meets...proper road cars!
i know top speed at brunters is hard no matter what way its done but shouldn't times be put into perspective
Mike and bruce used to do 180's without gas... 200mph is SOOOOO on another level..... things have moved on mate. The race fuel is a saftey thing in my eyes. Rods car (and Martins actually) still make mental power on pump fuel.
28-09-2004, 02:46 PM
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well i drove a 100% standard one about 1 1/2 years ago and i thought that was shit too cant remember it too well tho
dont get me wrong, when on boost it was fookin lush! just all the other times (ie normal driving) i didnt like it
cant remember it too well thodont get me wrong, when on boost it was fookin lush! just all the other times (ie normal driving) i didnt like it
28-09-2004, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs Gus
correctly specced
But for the cossie you drove jim the 2 most important words is probably
Correctly Mapped
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Engine Rebuild
or
Scrap Yard
28-09-2004, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs Gus
correctly specced
But for the cossie you drove jim the 2 most important words is probably
Correctly Mapped
or
Engine Rebuild
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Scrap Yard
mine is now low comp btw jim it was awesome std comp
28-09-2004, 02:54 PM
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well it does need a setup (and probably a diff chip) granted, but dont see it being that much better... lol
my old motor had around 270lb/ft @ 2krpm, new one's got about 150lb/ft at the same revs... (iirc) so its just a case of what i'm used to...
im not saying cossies are shit, i'm saying out of the two ive driven, i personally didn't like either of them (untill i was on boost n goin some)
only way to persuade me otherwise is to let me drive all your cars tho
my old motor had around 270lb/ft @ 2krpm, new one's got about 150lb/ft at the same revs... (iirc) so its just a case of what i'm used to...
im not saying cossies are shit, i'm saying out of the two ive driven, i personally didn't like either of them (untill i was on boost n goin some)
only way to persuade me otherwise is to let me drive all your cars tho
28-09-2004, 03:00 PM
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Jim, if you don't like YB engines because YOU think they are expensive to insure, maintain, thirsty, harsh sounding, or unreliable then thats your opinion and its fine.
Also if you just don't like Turbo'd cars then thats cool as well
But please stop all this off boost crap, a nicely specced road YB would blow your engine away EVERYWHERE from any revs in any gear.... in my opinion
Also if you just don't like Turbo'd cars then thats cool as well
But please stop all this off boost crap, a nicely specced road YB would blow your engine away EVERYWHERE from any revs in any gear.... in my opinion