vroooom ptssssh

Right, anyone have experience fitting poly bushes on the rear of an erst?

decided to fit mine yesterday so tackled one side...removed old bushes and went to pop in the poly ones..(powerflex) their was no way they would of went in but my pal noticed their was like outer collets where the old bushes were that could be removed from the wishbone on either end...so reluctantly removed them an hey presto they fitted in an everythin seemed fine, but upon building it all back up wheel on an gave it a feel for play..their seems to be some movement in the long bolt at the bottom of the shocky, like it could do with being tighter but the nut/bolt are as tight as they will go?

just wondering if ive made a mistake removing the outer colets from the wishbone and maybe the poly bushes would of somehow pressed into them instead of being pushed in without the colets (honestly dont think they would of as it would of been VERY tight.

anyone shed any light if ive done the right thing or not?

posted in erst section but no replies and really need to know before I do the other side

ballin

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been a while but i think you've done right.

does it not say with the paperwork they came with, or at least on their website? otherwise give em a call they should be able to tell you for sure

vroooom ptssssh

ballin, I never got any paperwork with them, just the bushes on their own as a friend gave me them, cheers tho mate


im just wondering about the play tho, its not excessive but when u kick the wheel it visibly moves and doesnt feel 'solid' also can see movement in the wishbone when wiggle the wheel side to side in the air

NUTS RuS

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Not good Davvy

Is there no sleeve inside the bush to stop it deflecting ?

If not bin them and return to standard - it wont be nice to drive

nilrem

there werent any spacers or wasers that came with them were there?

vroooom ptssssh

their are metal sleeves inside the bushes yep!

i'll try and explain a bit better!

ok, wishbone off the car, old bushes removed...if you look at where the old bushes were their are outer sleeves (which would of been round the outside of the original bush) these are what I mean by 'collets' we removed these as their was no way we could of put the poly bushes in the holes on the wishbone with the 'collets' in place

does this make any more sense?

nilrem, no washers with the bushes, used the original ones.


these are the bushes i fitted, I now their is 1 bush sleeve missing in the pic but thats sorted. and they arent marked correct.

NUTS RuS

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Bin 'em

o n i o n

It seems like you have done what I did when I fitted mine.

Without the metal sleeve around the poly bushes, there is no real support.

It took no time for what was left of the metal arount the bush, to cut into it and the play got worse.

I have now had to buy some second hand rear wishbones again to get it back to how it used to be. (probably keep the tie bar bushes in though).

Apparantly it sais on the instructions for the deflex bushes which my mate got for his S1 not to remove the outer metal sleeve!!!!

vroooom ptssssh

Ah fook, so I shouldnt of removed the outer sleeve I couldnt see how the poly bushes would of fitted in tho if I didnt even if they were pressed in

what a nightmare

I removed the sleeve from the inner part of the wishbone, fitted the big middle part in the middle an the 2 outer parts to the outside..? also removed 2 sleeves from the wishbone - hub where the bushes were

NUTS RuS, what makes you say that mate?

vroooom ptssssh

I think with DazC's help I might of solved it...

the collets im talking about may be the remains of the outer casing of the original bushes after I burnt the original bushes out

(2 hub-wishbone old bush outer sleeves)
so im right in knocking these out the wishbone! the play im talking about I think is due to the size of the new inner sleve of the poly bushes being very slightly too large not letting the bolt tighten up enough to spread the bush out further!

pheeeew

NUTS RuS

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Because you have already said yourself there is play in them and thats when they are new. Imagine the posts in a few months time when they are knackered because of the wear from movement lol

vroooom ptssssh

the inner sleeve is too long on the outer wishbone - hub bushes, if ground down slightly it will allow the bolt to tighten more spreading the bush out tightening up the play - its not play as such, just more movement than you'd expect for new uprated bushes! comparing the old inner sleeve and the new one you can see the height difference so its obvious the new one is too long!

DazC

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Are they deffinately Powerflex Dave? My Powerflex were purple and yellow, not just a whole set of yellow.

P.S. Dave, if they don't tighten up with a couple of MM off the sleeve, it probably won't tighten up after that.

vroooom ptssssh

Well I was told they were but they dont come with any packets jus in a bag, they say "esc3" or on some "esc3 4" and "RIW 2" so god knows lol

JesseT

Dont' fool yourself! Without outer sleeves, the wishbone bushes sit against the smallest area possible and break in no time. You need to weld some kind of sleeve to the wishbone to support the entire bush outer surface.

Marc LJX

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I had the exact same problem with Powerflex about 6 or 7 years ago... I thought they had sorted that problem!

I tried the powerflex ones first on their own (With massive play) and then with them pressed into the original outer bush sleeves. Both ways were crap.

I then fitted (I think) Supaflex ones that are red, and come with new stainless outer sleeves. No problems whatsoever

NUTS RuS

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Are you getting the picture yet ?

Alex_86

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hm, dont think it is powerflex... looks more like deflex....

as my powerflex was purple and some black an yellow
and it comes in nice packs=)

but my deflex though was orange

ballin

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they are definately deflex no question

vroooom ptssssh

Ok, so basically they need outer sleeves like the original bushes had and likely come from deflex.

I can still use the tie bar - hub and tie bae-chassis bushes tho as their ok?

looks like I need to go buy new bushes from ford for my passenger side

so I need either sleeves for the inner wishbone-chassis and sleeves for the hub-wishbone?

the wishbone-chassis bushes (the large ones that split in 3) were tight as fook to fit too to get into the wishbone so I thot with any sort of sleeve they might not fit, oh well back to the drawing board

Marc LJX

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The inner ones (Wishbone to Chassis) will be ok.
Its the outer ones (Little top hat shaped things) that need sleeves.
You cant buy these individually from Ford BTW, you had to buy the whole wishbone last time i checked, although i dont think even that is available anymore

Try some different Polybush manufacturers and get some that are supplied with sleeves

vroooom ptssssh

I removed the old sleeve from the inner wishbone-chassis tho?

if thats the case i'll jus order the outer wishbone-hub from powerflex or something or not as they want £46.77 for the 4

cheers

Marc LJX

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IIRC the outer sleeve should be removed from the chassis end of the wishbone to fit the poly bushes (Again IIRC! (Its a long time ago ))

vroooom ptssssh

Hopefully your right!

JamboRS

they sound like the deflex ones
i had the exact same hastle when fitting mine,with the sleeve in the bush would fit in the hole but it would overhang the side of the wishbone and not letting it fit up into chassis,so i done the same removed it and they went in but with a good bit of movement and that was only with my hand,cant imagine what happen with the weight of the car on them,anyway phoned up deflex and it seems that they have to be fitted without the sleeve in and they would send me out another set,arrived next morning and fitted perfect
guy said that they sound as if they have the old size for the sleeve(which used to be retained) and the length of the new bush(which sleeve is removed)
tbh mate you sound as if youve got my old set

JesseT

I still suggest you get some tubing with a diameter that tightly fits the bush outer diameter and weld short pieces to the wishbone for support. And I'm only talking about the outer bushes. The original Ford bushes are not bad either, but they are sold only together with the wishbone and cost the hell. Gettin custom ones made from nylon must also be cheaper than 47£ you mention.

xr4x4rs

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there not deflex ones

deflex are orange and the inner wishbone to chassis the on ei think you talking about is only 2 pieces on deflex not 3!

also with deflex you dont need to remove the collors like you have done

but you shouldnt remove the colours anyhow

they have to be a tight fit, so with those bushes you have proberbly superflex they are proberbly made to be pressed in, but i carnt see why they would be in 3 parts as theres no need to be

ive never had any sort of problems fiting bushes to rear wishbones on escorts, they should be fairly straight forward

get some new wishbones and start again and get bushes that arnt in 3 peieces

vroooom ptssssh

I reckon i'll need to get pics

The wishbone-chassis INNER metal tube on the new bush is shorter than the 3 bushes put together these were a v.tight fit! the middle part went in through the 2 outer parts of the wishbone, the outer parts of the bush squeezed in with difficulty either end of the wishbone! so they are tight, not slack at all but as JesseT sais, I think they might cut into the bushes if I dont have some sort of outer sleeve

Anyone got a lighter and some petrol?

Theirs only play comin from the wishbone-hub bushes

I reckon i'll prob jus fit the tie bar bushes on the other side and get new bushes for the pass side (if possible or get another 2nd hand wishbone) as the other bushes I removed were ok

xr4x4rs

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argh got ya

you have fitted the washers back correctly havnt you on the tiebar

so washer,bush,hub,bush,washer,nut

proberbly worth going down ford and buying some new washers

vroooom ptssssh

yea the tie bars are sound, its the looong bolt that goes through hub-wishbone

Alex_86

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deflex are also yellow, or it used to be. But now they are orange or?
As when i ordered it i did get orange ones. and as vroooom ptssssh said... it did come in paper bags.. as mine did too.. shitty little paper bags and if it was you first time, u don't understand anything



look what i did find in the Fastford magazine
So I do believe its deflex

vroooom ptssssh

Mine came in them small bags like these:

Alex_86

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yes i did have those inside the paperbags

ON-UJAH

Buy Superflex - they come with new stainless steel outer collars and inner sleeves.

They need pressing in but it's easy to do.

vroooom ptssssh

ON-UJAH, I would but I got these for free and cant afford full new bush set at the mo, just decided to fit them as I had them lying around

Alex_86

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they will fit in the end

not my car, but one on the Norwegian ford forum



hi did sort it out in the end tho

vroooom ptssssh

Alex_86, See looking at that, I cant see why the need outer sleeves as they arent rubbing on a thin piece of the wishbone at either end as you can see in the pic - certainly not enough to cut through them? I wouldnt of thot anyway

Im still kinda sure if I jus grind a bit off the inner sleeve the wishbone-hub bushes will tighten up nicely i'll give it a go, nothing to lose now...if it works i'll keep an eye on them wearing!

thanks

EIL132

Here's how mine came if it's any help

vroooom ptssssh

cheers James, thats pretty much exactly how mine came as you can see in the pic!

I reckon their fine without an outer sleeve, time will tell I guess? will try and sort the slight play issue on the side ive done already and see how it goes before I dismantle the other side

DazC

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Powerflex would have come in a purple box with a sachet of copper grease and with some new nuts for the tie rods.