AiM Dash compatability with L8
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foreigneRS
Dont even give it another thought chap - I appreciate your assistance! You were right that Si had some experience with this
Si I guess it is back to me to get one of these to get this sorted! My ECU is a L8
I can get the info from the AiM website if it is helpful?
JJ
Dont even give it another thought chap - I appreciate your assistance! You were right that Si had some experience with this
Si I guess it is back to me to get one of these to get this sorted! My ECU is a L8
I can get the info from the AiM website if it is helpful?
JJ
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Originally Posted by SECS
JjCoDeX75,
Get all the info first, I will have a look myself later this evening.
Get all the info first, I will have a look myself later this evening.
Links below......
General description of the Strada..
http://aimsports.com/products/mxl-strada/index.html
more description..
http://aimsports.com/products/mxl-strada/features.html
Link to download manual (2.7Mb)
http://aimsports.com/pdf/manuals/MXL_107_eng.pdf
Link to datasheet for Strada
http://aimsports.com/pdf/Datasheet_MXLStrada_eng.pdf
Link to installation template (I guess you wont need this!!!)
http://aimsports.com/pdf/templates/M...-Templates.pdf
Thanks Si!
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15-03-2007, 09:58 PM
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JJ,
Ok, had a look and it seems straight forward.
I need to implement another ecu mirror protocol on my board to patch to
the pectel L8 protocol so will look into how long I think this will take given
my current commitments. Will let you know over this weekend.
Nice little project
Ok, had a look and it seems straight forward.
I need to implement another ecu mirror protocol on my board to patch to
the pectel L8 protocol so will look into how long I think this will take given
my current commitments. Will let you know over this weekend.
Nice little project
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Originally Posted by SECS
JJ,
Ok, had a look and it seems straight forward.
I need to implement another ecu mirror protocol on my board to patch to
the pectel L8 protocol so will look into how long I think this will take given
my current commitments. Will let you know over this weekend.
Nice little project
Ok, had a look and it seems straight forward.
I need to implement another ecu mirror protocol on my board to patch to
the pectel L8 protocol so will look into how long I think this will take given
my current commitments. Will let you know over this weekend.
Nice little project
I need to save some beans together to buy one though. Nice one Si
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Simon, I am also interested in this and helping get it sorted.
I already have the Aim MXL, P8 with Pectel Datastream with a monitor attached in the car so can compare the outputs and configs for the dash.
I also have the analogue input loom for the dash and was about to wire it all up using this. If I can use the RS232 input that would be great and free up some channels.
If you remember a few weeks back I posted about getting an RS232 from a P8.............
I already have the Aim MXL, P8 with Pectel Datastream with a monitor attached in the car so can compare the outputs and configs for the dash.
I also have the analogue input loom for the dash and was about to wire it all up using this. If I can use the RS232 input that would be great and free up some channels.
If you remember a few weeks back I posted about getting an RS232 from a P8.............
16-03-2007, 08:34 AM
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polly_x,
Dont remember that post ???
This could be a good oportunity. !
I just need to work out which existing ecu protocol is suitable as I would
have to write a driver on my hardware to emulate the ecu to fool the
dash its talking to a proper ecu.
If you can PM me your contact phone number, I will give you a call on
sunday sometime if thats ok and we will sort something out.
Dont remember that post ???
This could be a good oportunity. !
I just need to work out which existing ecu protocol is suitable as I would
have to write a driver on my hardware to emulate the ecu to fool the
dash its talking to a proper ecu.
If you can PM me your contact phone number, I will give you a call on
sunday sometime if thats ok and we will sort something out.
16-03-2007, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Hey Si -
When you are a millionaire off the back of this - remember who first asked for it PMSL
JJ
When you are a millionaire off the back of this - remember who first asked for it PMSL
JJ
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=252329
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Originally Posted by SECS
polly_x,
Dont remember that post ???
This could be a good oportunity. !
I just need to work out which existing ecu protocol is suitable as I would
have to write a driver on my hardware to emulate the ecu to fool the
dash its talking to a proper ecu.
If you can PM me your contact phone number, I will give you a call on
sunday sometime if thats ok and we will sort something out.
Dont remember that post ???
This could be a good oportunity. !
I just need to work out which existing ecu protocol is suitable as I would
have to write a driver on my hardware to emulate the ecu to fool the
dash its talking to a proper ecu.
If you can PM me your contact phone number, I will give you a call on
sunday sometime if thats ok and we will sort something out.
It would just save so much time and wiring if I could get an RS232 into it.
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thinking about selling my stack SP dash now, after seeing the Aim Dash and the fact it can plug directly into Autronic,
Only thing is i think the Stacks looks soo much nicer, but the Aim does soo much more
oh the decisions
Only thing is i think the Stacks looks soo much nicer, but the Aim does soo much more
oh the decisions
16-03-2007, 09:31 AM
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JjCoDeX75, polly_x
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
16-03-2007, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
thinking about selling my stack SP dash now, after seeing the Aim Dash and the fact it can plug directly into Autronic,
Only thing is i think the Stacks looks soo much nicer, but the Aim does soo much more
oh the decisions
Only thing is i think the Stacks looks soo much nicer, but the Aim does soo much more
oh the decisions
I did a lot of research on this and Stack are just so locked down to a single config. It costs hundreds to get it edited.
The basic MXL has 8 spare user definable analogue channels over the top of your CAN/RS232 input as well.
As for looks.......have you seen an MXL switched on with the shift lights?
They also have just started making a new version called the ICON that has coloured LEDS's built in for indicators, high beam, volts etc etc. (I have this version)
I think it will start to sell very well. Talking to Stack at autosport I think they also know that and hence why they are bringing out a new dsah in the next few months to try and stay in competition.
The guy on the Stck stand even told me not to buy a Stack dash and wait for the new version over the summer.
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Originally Posted by SECS
JjCoDeX75, polly_x
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
PMSLpolly_x - Split the royalties 50 50? (Not sure what Si is gonna get out of this PMSL
Seriously - thanks Simon for even thinking to offer, I appreciate the effort that would go into this.
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by SECS
JjCoDeX75, polly_x
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
LOL, If I break even I will be surprised.
I am doing this as a hobby project and am happy to do so.
To make money out of this I would have to sell hundreds or set a price
thats unrealistic for its percieved function.
After all most people would see it as an expensive cable linking two
pieces of equipment together.
Parts costs are pretty irrelavant but time and pcb design/manufacturing
costs soon add up.
So a Ł50 quid product could have taken Ł3000 in real terms to make it salable.
Luckily in this project, I already have a suitable circuit board and design
with software already written for the pectel protocol.
Its just a case of moding the software and finding a suitable plastic box
to put the board in.
PMSLpolly_x - Split the royalties 50 50? (Not sure what Si is gonna get out of this PMSL
Seriously - thanks Simon for even thinking to offer, I appreciate the effort that would go into this.
Would settle for connecting 2 wires instead of 40 or 50!!!!
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cheers polly, can u buy that version with the idot lights?
Or is that something you can have done? as i presume its not for your westy revving to 14k
Costs? PM me if you like
Or is that something you can have done? as i presume its not for your westy revving to 14k
Costs? PM me if you like
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Originally Posted by Ryan
cheers polly, can u buy that version with the idot lights?
Or is that something you can have done? as i presume its not for your westy revving to 14k
Costs? PM me if you like
Or is that something you can have done? as i presume its not for your westy revving to 14k
Costs? PM me if you like
The Rev display is totally configurable in the software, as are the shift lights.
Will post a pic in a minute of the config screen.
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Originally Posted by Ryan
whats the cost of the icon version?
Ive got the extras on mine too:
Lap Timing Beacon and Transmitter
Exhaust Gas Temp Kit
Wide Band Lampda Kit
Analogue loom
These were all extra.
16-03-2007, 10:29 AM
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Confused numpty post...
Simon, is your converter dependent on a Pectel board being fitted to the ECU ?
What I would be really interested in would be something that plugs/solders into a standard (no pectel) L6 or L8 and outputs serial data which can be read by a computer.
The idea being that I can then go and write my own dashboard, logging, monitoring, etc... software
Simon, is your converter dependent on a Pectel board being fitted to the ECU ?
What I would be really interested in would be something that plugs/solders into a standard (no pectel) L6 or L8 and outputs serial data which can be read by a computer.
The idea being that I can then go and write my own dashboard, logging, monitoring, etc... software
16-03-2007, 10:36 AM
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frog,
That particular board is designed for pectel streams only.
(I am pretty sure that Stu @ MSD is able to add pectel streams to L8 chips without pectel boards! )
However, a standard secs monitor already does have the ability to output
a serial data stream but it is limited to what it can measure.
This feature has never been advertised.
RPM (depending on version)
BATTERY VOLTS
COOLANT TEMP
CHARGE TEMP
MAP
THROTTLE POSITION
The data is already scaled in the data stream making it a easy to interface to a PC.
That particular board is designed for pectel streams only.
(I am pretty sure that Stu @ MSD is able to add pectel streams to L8 chips without pectel boards! )
However, a standard secs monitor already does have the ability to output
a serial data stream but it is limited to what it can measure.
This feature has never been advertised.
RPM (depending on version)
BATTERY VOLTS
COOLANT TEMP
CHARGE TEMP
MAP
THROTTLE POSITION
The data is already scaled in the data stream making it a easy to interface to a PC.
16-03-2007, 10:52 AM
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greg - as simon says, stu can add the pectel datastream to a std babyboard L8 chip
L6 just does not have the available memory to include it in the run code
the output from the SECS monitor sounds useful, but for that (and for the std pectel datastream) you will need to know the protocol before writing your own software. so far, that knowledge is not in the public domain.
however, if simon sorts out the output to be compatible with the AiMs dash, then that protocol is
L6 just does not have the available memory to include it in the run code
the output from the SECS monitor sounds useful, but for that (and for the std pectel datastream) you will need to know the protocol before writing your own software. so far, that knowledge is not in the public domain.
however, if simon sorts out the output to be compatible with the AiMs dash, then that protocol is
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Thanks guys, that sounds reasonable. So if Stu can enable the datastream, you could create something to interpret the output and convert it to something more generic ?
Also, doesn't the SECS take analogue inputs by piggy-backing onto the sensor pins, rather than a digital stream off the ECU ?
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
Also, doesn't the SECS take analogue inputs by piggy-backing onto the sensor pins, rather than a digital stream off the ECU ?
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
16-03-2007, 11:12 AM
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Turbosystems true, i forgot about that 
but that probably doesn't really help greg, as he would have to shell out on it - and then he may as well just replace the L6 with L8
i agree entirely, but when i said it simon got all uppety perhaps it was the way i said it
but that probably doesn't really help greg, as he would have to shell out on it - and then he may as well just replace the L6 with L8
Also, doesn't the SECS take analogue inputs by piggy-backing onto the sensor pins, rather than a digital stream off the ECU ?
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
perhaps it was the way i said it
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
a l6 ecu can be modified to run a pectel cpv2 boared thus giving the l6 the pectle l8 features
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
Turbosystems true, i forgot about that
but that probably doesn't really help greg, as he would have to shell out on it - and then he may as well just replace the L6 with L8
but that probably doesn't really help greg, as he would have to shell out on it - and then he may as well just replace the L6 with L8
Mind you, the way this is going, it may well be cheaper to change management altogether
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
Also, doesn't the SECS take analogue inputs by piggy-backing onto the sensor pins, rather than a digital stream off the ECU ?
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
There is a small difference between the two, and while I am not dissing the SECS monitor (far from it), it would prefer to see what the ECU interprets, rather than what the sensors say
perhaps it was the way i said it I suppose you could go one step further and install two of each sensor and have two belts and two pairs of braces, not a chance of being caught with your trousers down then
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frog,
Understand what you are saying.
No offence taken - The original old version SECS monitor was designed to
be universal for all weber YB ecu's so chip type didnt matter and could
be retro fitted easily.
Understand what you are saying.
No offence taken - The original old version SECS monitor was designed to
be universal for all weber YB ecu's so chip type didnt matter and could
be retro fitted easily.
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Originally Posted by SECS
frog,
Understand what you are saying.
No offence taken - The original old version SECS monitor was designed to
be universal for all weber YB ecu's so chip type didnt matter and could
be retro fitted easily.
Understand what you are saying.
No offence taken - The original old version SECS monitor was designed to
be universal for all weber YB ecu's so chip type didnt matter and could
be retro fitted easily.
16-03-2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
a l6 ecu can be modified to run a pectel cpv2 boared thus giving the l6 the pectle l8 features
trying to run a sierra cosworth on 1.6L sierra money is not recomended
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polly_x,
After a look around, I think I will emulate the Motec M8 Dataset 1 protocol
using RS232 as I have used that one before on one of my other monitor products.
It has a high bandwidth and can support every piece of data that the
L8/P8 pectel protocol uses so seems the ideal choice for me.
After a look around, I think I will emulate the Motec M8 Dataset 1 protocol
using RS232 as I have used that one before on one of my other monitor products.
It has a high bandwidth and can support every piece of data that the
L8/P8 pectel protocol uses so seems the ideal choice for me.