BM08

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6301301.stm

Martyn

ANY protection now and in the future will be always be cracked eventually

focusv8

When Computer games came out with protection on cassettes "They" said copying would be impossible.
When Cd's came out "They" said copying would be impossible.
When the first movie DVD's with encryption came out "They" said it couldn't be cracked.

When will "They" learn, if it's man / woman made, another man / woman can unmake it. It's just when not if.

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JamesH

iTrader: (21)

I will be impressed when people manage to crack the 128bit or whatever web encryption for using your card to buy stuff

"They" say there is not enough computing power to do it

BM08

Hackers, dont you just love them

BUK

if someone made it , someone can unmake it, simple

vikingboy

Not sure about that - what about Sky?

After all these years it still hasnt been cracked (although lots have claimed they know someone who knows someone etc).

Dynamic keys mean that as soon as one is busted they rescramble with a new key and the hacker has to start again.

BUK

there is lots of ways of getting sky for free, they even sell dodgie sky in glasgow city centre

se mk3 cabbie

hd rips have been around for months

GrahamM

This is the original thread

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871

Katie

Clever stuff. If they didn't make a fuss about stuff being unhackable you wonder if there would be such a profound problem. We all remember the story of the titanic, the ship that ''couldn't'' sink.

vikingboy

these rips were taken from satellite or DVHS tapes and not the HD media.
The old DVHS decks and satellite systems had firewire outputs which could be (ab)used.

Re Sky in Glasgow - seems odd its only in Glasgow and not Europe wide.
I've never found anything re Sky being hacked for free viewing (other than the pay per view film hack but that fails eventually as it still has a record of your viewing activity).

Terry Tibbs

If a human creates it, a human can destroy it.

Turbocabbie

The limitations of the sky box are simply restricted by the bios firmware.. get reprogrammed firmware and the world is your oyster so to speak. The chip in the sky box can not be reprogrammed and requires replacement which is why many of these are sold allready fitted to boxes.. It is the cost which makes these not widespread.

Its the same as with many devices, the origional xbox was nothing more than a celeron based pc which was running a modified windows 2000 kernel it was the bios firmware in this which stoped it from being used as a normal pc... change the firmware on it and you could run what you desired and even use it as a normal computer.

Big G

You can get hooky sky down here, some people making good money from it.

vikingboy

please someone PM me where to get hooky sky then as at £50 per month its costing a fortune....how much do these boxes cost?

thx for the heads up guys!

Turbocabbie

where you live vikingboy

Physio

Pm me too about the sky

vikingboy

london

SS1

iTrader: (3)

said the borg sperm "resistance is futile".

vikingboy

I'm still waiting for details on the cracked systems guys ....c'mon - help me out. I've got cash waiting......

Anonymous

SKY will never be hacked for the public..end of.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Not quite true for several reasons....

1) It is possible to digitaly record the encrypted signal and
use a computer to unscramble the signal with software but this cannot
be done in real time (as the film is played) and currently takes about 5
hours for every 1 hour of film with current PC technology.
Plus the picture quality is lower so its nor really viable for most.

2) Sky digital has been hacked several times completely and properly but
the system is highly adaptable so when Sky find out or at a fixed interval
usually every 20 days they remotely change the encrypton method
making all hacking work void.

Sky analog was hacked perfectly because an insider at sky published
all the codes on the net.

As with ALL so called secure systems, it will fall down one day soon.

On one of the developer forums I use, they claim it will be done by mid
this year and it will be permanent .... I believe them after what I have seen for myself.
Sky will only be able to get around it by giving everyone a new smart card
which will cost them millions to do.

Not that I would ever do such a thing myself

slim20012

have to say i have only ever heard of cracked sky boxs never seen one but ntl boxs are like 10 a penny

DanRSturbo

I should imagine that backing up a hd dvd work's in the same way you do a normal one, just need a slightly more advanced bit of software

FasterFords

Sky can be hacked and has been.

Trouble is, Sky keep changing it, so it becomes to much work to keep up.

jammy86

The computer scientists say that, but we engineers dont belive it

I love all the anti hack stuff that comes out for games. not one of them has been sucessful yet and the only one close is Valves Hl2 series, which has been hacked but its an old version thats got several bugs and cant be updated. Steam are doing well to prevent hacking though its only preventing updates really. MS are going to start a Steam type thing with Vista too... god that wont work either....

Starforce works in theory, but since its a sort of post production add on l337 people have been able to just extract the game files and leave the Starforce ones :P

The best anti hack we've got round (student house ) was for one of the Starwars titles. My mate spent two or three hours doing regestry changes to get it working. then we found a link that said 'try setting it to win95 compatability', it worked hahaha! excellent.

JAmes

vikingboy

so thats my point - essentially if its too much hassle to crack it for 20 hours or so, people just wont bother.

sending out new smart cards isn't prohibitively expensive - they did it recently I recall at the end of 2006....and dont think it costs Sky anything in the long run, they will just pass the price on to the consumers.

Regardless, a new smart card per subscriber is better than loosing £35 average revenue per month from a selection of their subscribers.

vikingboy

[quote="jammy86"]"sucessful" isnt just black and white. Preventing a game from being cracked for a few days is enough to recoup much more cash into publishers hands.