Focus TD's
 

Right, been offered a cheap Focus TD, 2000 on an 'X'. Done 100k, been looked after properly by a meticulous owner. However, it's not a TDCi version which I knew, but it's not a Zetec either - it's the 'CL'. Anyone know anything about them ? Assume it's an 8v pinto based engine ? Not keen now as thought it was a Zetec 16v lump, but before I make a decision either way just after a bit more info.

Thankenyouplease :DD:

We use one as a smoke to eat up the miles going round the country, I haven't even popped the bonnet [don't tell the old man as I keep meaning to check the oil level :cry:] but I'm pretty sure they're the Enduro diesel that used to go in the Escort vans.

IMO better than the common rail as there's less to go wrong with the old technology than this new stuff with fuck loads of pressure going through everything :top:

It'll be a TDDi.
CL is just trim level.
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Cheers guys :DD: is yours an 8v job Paddy ? Do they not rev as well ? I know diesels only go to 5k anyway, but compared to a Zetec ? I'm a bit of a big mileage merchant and do a fair bit of motorway work so don't want to listen to it screaming it's nuts off at 80 or louder than the 480 6x2 Scania that I'm trying to get past...............

Zetec diesel?


Am I missing something here?


I thought all zetec's were 16valve petrols.

I dont think any of the 1.8 diesels were 16 valve. The old belt driven 1.8 was phased out around 98 / 99 replaced by a chain driven 8v. Very similar lumps.

The TDCi is just an tourqier version I believe.

None of them are what you would call refined, but pull well and last forever if you do the belts and pulleys.

They're all 8v mate. it's only the new 2.0 and the 1.4/1.6 i think? thats 16v

Also Zetec is just a trim level aswell, iirc it's CL, Zetec, LX & Ghia
There is also a Zetec engine as we know, but just because it says Zetec on the back don't mean it's a petrol.

They're ok really, both tddi and tdci suffer pump problems so it's not worth buying one over the other because of the risk of it going wrong, infact a tdci pump is alot cheaper than a tddi pump.

timing belt is due at 100k miles though so watch for that.

Also all models have a timing belt, yes it's the same engine from the escort with minor tweaks, the focus diesel uses a chain from the crank to drive the pump then a belt from the pump to the cam.

The tddi is almost the same as the escort diesel engine with a couple of tweaks which include a Bosch VP30 fuel pump [try google]

The tdci is again the same engine expect it runs common rail and ecu controlled injectors.

Hmm - CAP say there is a Focus Zetec diesel when I booked it value wise, so assumed there were !!

Zetec refering to Trim level as would be on a petrol Zetec, but without the 16v Zetec engine.

£1200 to have a new TDDI fuel pump fitted into one of our company Transit Connects. @ 80,000 miles.


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Ah! This is Fords head fuck policy of using "ZETEC" as the name of an engine AND a trim level! :wall: :wall:

I get a few problems at work when that happens. The other one they did was the special edition Escort Sapphire.

One customer, and oldish woman has got one and confuses the fuck out of everyone by asking for parts for her Mreg Ford Sapphire! :roll:

Fucking OUCH :eek: :eek: :eek:

1.8 are 8 valve and 1.6,2.0 are 16 valve

Anyone had any problems with fuel pumps going bolloxed ?

Bump................anyone else any experiences ? :DD:

Its CL, LX, Zetec, Ghia.

yes mate i have :wall: cost us £1015 to have a new fuel pump fitted as above :mad:

The pump itself cost anywhere for £550 to £650 THEN you have to have it programmed to the car with cost another £ 220 :wall: then labour and the dreaded VAT

it was a goddamn nightmare mate , without the car for 3 weeks :bat:

good luck

Hmmm..................I think I might give this one a miss. I'm not paying a grand to get that fixed.................and I'm not running the risk of buying one and then sweating about it.

how much was it anyway?

£2500

I've got a V plate Focus TDDI that I use for work (commuting). It's very reliable and reasonably nippy for what it is and pretty economical too. It's a bit noisier than the newer ones admittedly, but it doesn't cost me much to run it and I do a lot of miles (current 18k a year just commuting), so if it was going to be annoying it would have been by now.

Cheers chap ;) something positive about them, which is good !! :DD:

i've got a TDDi Focus. It does what it says on the tin. Its boring, but costs naff all to insure and is great on fuel.

sits at 115mph all day long if you want it too, and still returns 45mpg when constantly thrashed.

not worried about the fuel pump thing as I have a fully inc. 3 yr warranty on the car :top: :cry:

Glad to hear they're good on juice - I run a 1.25 Fiesta at the moment so don't want any dramatic changes in how much I have to put in a week. Do alot of miles for work too and claim mileage so don't want to have to put everything I claim in as fuel.

The fuel pump thing is stuill bothering me a bit though I have to say.....

mine does about 400 miles a week, and hasnt missed a beat since last Feb :)

Cool - I did 1000 miles very nearly from 6am Monday until 3pm Wednesday afternoon...............so don't want to be spending fortunes on diesel if I buy it.

Bump for the daytime crew................. :DD:

Why? It's the most expensive part on ANY diesel car [bar the engine] and I guarantee you'll find a few of every diesel model that's had it go :?

In the last 6 months we've had warranty claims for diesel pumps on a 407 hdi and a Mazda 6. These were both low mileage cars around the £7k bracket, not a cheap old derv Focus!

This Focus we've got is used purely as a hack [it's not done many miles to be fair] and was cheap because it's the booted version - talk about last sweet left in the sweet shop :cry:. I'm pretty sure it's the engine from the Escort vans and how many of those have you seen with loads of miles on?

Stop being such an old woman and get it bought!

If you want to try it, I can bring it to one of the meetings if you want?

:cry: :cry: going to have a look hopefully in the next few days, if I like it a deposit goes down and that's that !!! :eek: Just don't want a grand bill for a poxy fuel pump.......

There's a risk of ownership with any second hand car :top:

And the claim on the Mazda came to over £2000 because some cock end said it needed a new ecu as well :cry:

Thats very true Paddy, very true indeed..................no real point in wondering 'what if'

be very careful about the small end bearings, my mates sister has one that has rattling small end bearings, and its impossible to fix as ford don't supply the gudgeon pins or bearings seperatly from a complete engine :wall: :mad: :bat: - the car is silent until its warm, then makes a right racket, The engine company that diagnosed it has seen several other cars with identical problems, the only way to fix it is a replacement engine. And theese are 60k cars ...... :(

Maybe this diesel lark ain't as clever an idea as I thought.......hmmmm......

That's the problem with them mate! When a petrol engine dies, invariably it's relatively cheap to fix.... but when a diesel gives up it more often than not costs an arm and a leg.

But as said before with the risk of ownership, narrow down the possibilities and get something that you KNOW has been looked after or something low mileage....

OR get a decent warranty :top:

its a 2k car :? dont worry about it! Odds on if its dont that amount of miles it will be fine! And also because its not and "expensive" car if the motor does go, well u will be able to get 2nd hand engine cheap enough.

Go for it if its half about car and stop worrying :cry:

Going to have a looksy tonight...........well, if the bloke rings me back I will anyway. Keep you posted.............

Just agreed to buy a TDDi Focus.............. :oops: deposit down, collect Wednesday or Thursday......

NOOOOOOO!

They're rubbish, the primary diesel pumps always give up and they cost a FORTUNE to fix!

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Post up some pics when you've got it :top:

they are going cheap these days try it out and if you think its ok for you
buy it if its not right for you dont go for something els :top:

:top: :top: Now go get some chip fat!

Nationwide said I can have the money tomorrow and not have to wait the usual 48 hours notice, so picking the car up tomorrow night. First job - down the Kosovan car wash as it's fucking filthy !!!!

pic's ;)













of the fuel pump :cry: :cry: :cry: