gwynny

405 T16 4x4 turbo
220 bhp std




Says on the add the engines go for £10k alone!!!!!!!!

on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-405-T1...QQcmdZViewItem

Ginge !

for a min there i was expecting to see a saph cossie at a car show with phil at the wheel,,,,,,,


makes that motor more comon than a silver e46 in docklands

phil4x4saph

Cool! I had an Mi16 before the saph.

As for 10k for the engine? I sold the whole thing for a few hundred quid!

Wasnt a turbo though.

Dan

Not seen a turbo one! Very Cool

Stavros

An MI16 is VERY different from a real T16!

Its an insult really to call a T16 an MI!
Its like looking at an RS500 and going "ooh, ive never seen a turbo XR4i before!"

They are mega rare, mega expensive, and mega cool.

In all seriousness they way better than their equivalent, a 4x4 Saff Cossie.

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

As above very very rare machines.

Stavros in what way do you think they are better than a cossie? Just interested not doubting it btw

phil4x4saph

What other differences were there then?
I was under the impression they were just a turbo version.

I think your RS500/XR4i comparison is a little unfair..

I would say it was more like a S1 RS Turbo / XR3i comparrison.

Stavros

MI's were just basic quickish 4door cars, like an SRI Cavalier or similar, and the 4wd version was a bit of a mishmash.
TBH a 4i is more sporty.

T16s were built for the start in the same mould as Saff Cossies, but were made in mega low numbers.
Supersaloons, french persuit cops used em too.

They were generally accepted (tho never released in the UK) to be quicker and way better handling than a std 4x4 saff. 220bhp standard, but can be tuned to silly 600bhp+ sorta power like a YB.

IIRC the standard engine can do silly power, but never looked into it as obv they mega rare.

Variable geometry turbo as standard.

There was also the mental 2dr mid engine 405 T16 that competed in Paris-Dakar and Pikes Peak too.

donny murdo

t-16 ENGINE IN THE CAR IN MY SIG

There was some footage of a 205 gti with a t-16 engine on here someone will no doubt post it up had around 300bhp iirc

donny murdo

Check it,its all frog speak but the pictures speak for themselves



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...862&q=405+t-16

alistairolsen

Id still break it and put the engine in a 205 if i found one cheap enough

roybacer

Last time i heard Peugeot ecosse had a stock pile of T16 engines

Quite a few in 205's and 306's now

phil4x4saph

That really doesnt answer my question, or back up your original statement.

"Built in the same mould as Saff Cossies"
What,you mean built from a Sapphire Ghia with a bodykit, 4x4 system and a specialist turbo engine?

Still sounds like a turbo MI16 to me.

The Cavalier SRi was more akin to the 405 SRi.
The MI16 was a Cavalier GSi rival.

As for the handling? Ive driven vans that out handle a Sapphire Cosworth!
A standard 1600 405 would out handle a Sapphire!

The 205 t16 was a wild animal of a car - so was the t16 rally car in your picture. But the 405 on ebay, although rare isnt all that special if you ask me.

Still cool though!

Stavros

ok, sorry they shit if you class em like that.

but they still better than a 4x4 saff.

which i class as a good car.

phil4x4saph

When did I say they were shit?

I was asking why the Mi was "VERY different from a real T16"

And no-one has managed to tell me.

Carlsworth

right but WHY,.....
is he question phil is asking me thinks....

Stavros

I dont know tech details, but engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, interior, etc is different to a MI16.

Just same as a 4x4 Saff Cossie is all different to I dunno, a GLSI or summat.

Same basic shell, and lots of bits could swap over, but to compare is daft.

david

Couldnt be arsed to read all the replies but isnt the Pugeot Eccose 405 a turbo mi16 car ? ex french copper's high speed pursuit vehicle ?

Stavros

Pug ecosse track car is a 405 T16, yup, not slow either!

david

Not by half

Bloke who owns it is sound too

Shings

I have been lead to believe recently that the MI16 type engine as found in the Mi16 is EASILY as tunable as the YB if not better--- So I can assure you Steve is defo on the right lines.

Jake

Martyn

205 T16 for me please

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-205-T1...QQcmdZViewItem

gingeRS

cool as fuck...........if a little expensive

the 405 is cool as a q car.

i think other than the build numbers the saff 4x4 and the 405 t16 are very similar cars

RichardPON

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, the T16 engine in the 205 rally car is very different to the T16 engine in the 405 production car.

The way I saw it was that the 405 T16 was a turbocharged derivative of the Mi series, and the 205T16 was a bespoke unit for the rally cars.

R5FORD

iTrader: (1)

rather have my cossie

Stavros

Pon- IIRC both use the XU series block, but the 16v 205 T16 head is different to the MI, 405 T16, and 205 GTI heads.

Same as GrpB Reno5s use a GTT/Campus/340DL etc block, but a different head (tho the gordini used the same head)

gingeRS

thats what i thought, and surely is the genuine T16 engine (205) that demands the 10k price tag

saff_cossie

MI16's are the only 405's over here. Guess kind of like the WRX is the only Impreza in the UK when back in their homeland, there is a full range of models. I know of 2 addresses with them and probably see 1 every couple of months on the road here.

Dave Henshall

i never actually knew that car even existed - heard of the MI16, but never a T16, how many were built...?

RichardPON

Steve - cheers, that clears it up a bit.

Rory - proper 205T16s go for a little bit more than 10k!

Stavros

Seen comments of upto 2500 were planned (i think 1000 was the real number tho) but only between 200 and 400 were ever made.

Nobody seems to know for sure.

gingeRS

i meant the engines

Dave Henshall

almost as rare as rs200's then - a true understated classic, what was the 4x4 configuration like (ie mechanical : lsd's open, torsen, FF etc or electronic like the 4x4 vectras and calibras)

xr2i-carl

are the turboed as standard?

xr2i-carl

but not as rare as the rs200 in reality because the 200 is homologation car

this is not?!!! iirc

Stavros

T16s are all turbod as standard, hence why they different to others 405s..

Not as rare as RS200? Bothered Nobodys comparing them to RS200s. 205 T16 was the RS200 equivalent.

And there cars a lot more rare than all of them.

xr2i-carl

i know the 205t16 is rare piece kit!!!

someone was saying the 405 was as rare i was saying it wa snot


carl

Dave Henshall

nomral 405s are'nt , neither are 405 Mi16s, but the 405 T16's are v rare, so rare that i didnt even know they existed