Anonymous

According to you, they do the same 60ft times when the renault is on slicks, so i think you will find in a race on the road its the renault that needs a few people pushing it, and thats even before the head gasket blows

DaveAVT

All that means is the corsa did a damn good launch on 'road' tyres, and the Renault 5 didnt do a very good launch on slicks...

But either way they got to 60ft at the same time.. its not rocket surgery...

There is a guy in the club who has pulled a 1.5 60ft on the same tyres, so there is more potential there yet...

GARETH T

slicks can gve over 1.6 times the grip of a normal road tyre,,,, dave your missing the point

Benni

Why not put both cars on road legal tyres and see what wins? Make a little bet.

Anonymous

Yes the renault drag car on slicks is faster than the vauxhall road car.

Why cant the renault manage 1.9 60ft without needing slicks like the heavier corsa can, is the renault THAT bad at launching?

1.9 on slicks is atrocious

all that car proves is what a bad idea (for a road car) it is to whack 40 pounds of boost through a crap old engine that cant deliver the power smoothly enough or through a chassis that cant put the power down well enough to even manage to beat a heavier car despite having slicks when the heavier car doesnt

just seems like an utterly pointless waste of time, its not a fast road car cause it cant put the power down on road tyres and its not a fast drag car cause 11 is slow for a non road legal drag car


You are saying its quick, but compared (equally?) to WHAT is it quick?


If Gaz put slicks on his car he would be running higher terminals and quicker quarters and quicker 60fts than the renault, so in what way is the renault actually quicker do you believe?

(and before you say slicks wont effect his terminal speed, they definately would cause it would mean he could put a lot more power in sooner as he doesnt even use the nitrous in first gear at the moment and has to limit the amount in second to match the traction of his road tyres)

DaveAVT

Corsa road tyres - 1.9 60ft

Renault 5 slicks - 1.9 60 ft

So why not Renault 5, road tyres 1.9 60ft?

Is the Corsa going to instantly do a 1.2 60ft now if he puts slicks on??

Anonymous

Gareth, have you been practicing your understatements, cause thats a very good one.

Even with his cat offering him technical advice he STILL doesnt seem to understand that slicks give cars an advantage on a drag strip.


In the words of Roy Walker:
What a numpty

DaveAVT

Do the maths...

If he put slicks on his Corsa and got his 60ft down to 1.5, then he would only match the Renault 5 by 'theoretically' getting his quarter mile down to 11.45 instead of 11.85...

You aint going to get better than a 1.5 60 ft on a light FWD car.

Anonymous

Cor blimey for someone who sometimes seems bright, you very clearly arent


The 5 wont do a 1.9 60ft on road tyres cause clearly its a steaming pile of poo for trying to lay the power down, he HAS to use the slicks to get traction because of one or more of the following:
his power delivery isnt smooth enough for road tyres
his suspension setup is rubbish
he should let your cat drive instead cause he has all the gear and no idea

The corsa would run around a 1.6 60ft on full slicks, based on what similar cars do, it would also lose a minimum of half a second off its quarter time and gain a good 5mph more on the terminal due to being able to put more power down for so much more of the strip.

Its hardly rocket science

Stavros

And GT Turbos are cool, so automaticly win anyhow, game over, thread locked, FWD drag racing is gay, and so on.

Anonymous

ABSOLUTELY IN TEARS!!!!


Fuck me, you realy do know NOTHING about drag racing do you!


Do you not think that the reason that the car would cover 60ft quicker might just *possibly* be because its now moving faster?

If its moving faster at the end of the 60ft, do you think its going to cover the next 60ft in the same time?

PMSL

You absolutely do not know ANYTHING about drag racing do you?

Take .4 off your 60ft and you will typically lose the best part of a second off the ET!!!

DaveAVT

Hence my post above, so well done, he has matched the Renault 5, but with the advantage of a far better launch...

Anonymous

He wouldnt "match it" he would beat it, see my post above!


God you really are COMPLETELY missing the point as to what difference getting off the line quicker makes in drag racing!

Benni

Agreed. Altough i think chip is getting rather pissed off now. 2 pages of explaining and this guy still thinks he's on page 1.

DaveAVT

Sorry, pal. It doesnt work like that...

Wheelspin affects terminal speeds by a very small amount, and thus the speed difference reached at the end of 60ft is even more miniscule..

No need to get so frustrated.

Anonymous

Dave, please remove the renault blinkers for a second, step away from the keyboard, take in a nice big breath of fresh air, and then apply a couple of braincells at once to thinking about the effects of slicks, then come back and apologise for wasting everyone's time when EVERYONE in the thread except you can see why on equal tyres the 5 couldnt compete

Mark B

Soooo...... that civic quite a good time there.

DaveAVT

Ok chip answer me this...

You mate in the Corsa

Previously, he did a 12.2 at 119mph

Now he has done a 11.85


AT 119MPH

My cat wants to know why you said a faster launch equals a faster speed...?

Anonymous

Absolutely correct if you compare two runs from the same car with the same power and it wheelspins on one run and doesnt on the other then the terminal will be hardly any different but the terminal will change.
There is SOME sort of sense in that head of yours then

Ah, this is where it REALLY falls down, if you wheelspin the first 30ft without accelerating the difference in MPH at the 60ft mark is MASSIVE, it quickly levels out, and by the end of the quarter it wont be a lot though as 30ft more acceleration at the end makes little difference


It is REALLY frsutrating trying to explain simple things to you and you still cant grasp them.


The final point you have missed COMPLETELY is that the extra grip isnt just useful for the first 60ft, if Gaz ran slicks on his corsa he wouldnt just be able to put more power down for 60ft, it would be the entire first 2 gears that he could use more power in and thats half his quarter mile time he would be putting more power down for!

Anonymous

His car was running a little less power on the 11.85 run as it was 20 degrees hotter so the ECU had wound off some timing, the 12.2 was run in light snow , hope that makes sense to your cat

Your cat tries to over simplify things because he doesnt actually understand anything about drag racing, really you should try and find someone better to get to advise you

DaveAVT

Not everyone...

You said the R5 lauch on slicks is atrocious...

Yes..

He might be able to do a 1.5 if he tried it again, which should put him in the 10's

Likewise, if he put the same tyres on as the Corsa, he may just to a 11.4 again...

Why are you assuming that 5 can't do a good launch on the same tyres as the Corsa

Your just assuming. No one assumes these days.....

DaveAVT

I knew there would be some excuses, sorry reasons...

Anonymous

Dave, im making no assumptions, im basing it purely on the results.

The current spec car with the current spec driver wouldnt run the same 60ft with less grip.

As i said above there are 3 possible reasons why its so shit, lookabove for them as i cant be arsed to type them again

Tell your cat to try running on tiles and carpet, it might all start to make more sense to your cat then

DaveAVT

Who said its anything to do with grip...

Maybe he just didnt get a good lauch....

Oh, sorry, Im assuming here...

If you get a crap 60ft, it can only be wheelspin cant it!??

Anonymous

Its just a shame you seem so unable to understand them


Do you really think that 20 degrees different external temp is an "excuse" as to why the corsa performance would vary between a snowy day at the pod and the hottest day there this year?

Do you really think that slicks dont help performance at the strip? If so why do you and your cat think that your mate with the 5 runs them in the first place? for fashion?

Anonymous

Indeed, maybe he didnt, see above for the 3 possible reasons for that.


Fuck me, its VERY hard going trying to make you grasp even the basic fundamentals of getting a car off the line, im glad i didnt have to teach you to drive, i bet it took your driving instructor a month to get you to understand what a biting point was

Anonymous

Dave, try one of these for that hole you are trying to dig yourself out of

Jonzy

Hobnob anyone?

GARETH T

if only tiff or doug was here now

DaveAVT

He who drops to insults first has already lost...

C'mon chipchop, why might he not get a good launch, I can get the video up to show you if it helps...

Benni

Please..

gwynny

Jonzy, dont spose you know what ade's best was?

Jonzy

As Chip has already said 11.344@124

Anonymous

To be honest, so far, based on your BLATANT lack of understanding ive been positively complimentary about you


Just for you though, here is the (simplified enough hopefully for someone like you to understand) list of reasons why he DID (as opposed to might like you just said) not get a good launch that ive kept telling you to scroll up to read but you dont seem able to do so:

it will be one or more of these:

his power delivery isnt smooth enough for road tyres
his suspension setup is rubbish
he should let your cat drive instead cause he has all the gear and no idea



Hope that FINALLY sinks in this time around!

DaveAVT

Nope, try again...

DaveAVT

http://www.rtoc.org/library/fileroot...LKAKQKPKZQ.wmv

There you go, theres the vid, study it hard, and first person to work it out wins a hobnob..

Anonymous

Sorry Dave, im afraid ive failed here.

Ive always prided myself on being good at explaining things to people down at their level, but i just cant seem to pitch low enough for you (the man who says .4 off the 60ft = .4 off the ET )


I came up (see above ) with an idiot proof list of nice simple reasons as to why the renault might be quite as crap as it is, but sadly although i thought they were idiot proof, along came a bigger idiot than i was able to imagine possible and proved me wrong


I just dont know how i can possibly manage to explain drag racing to a man who doesnt understand that grip is something useful

Anonymous

Teachers note:

Please refer to chips list of reasons why it cant launch dave while you are trying to work it out.

Mark B

work what out?

OK the R5 does a quick time on slick's

the corsa does a quick time on road tyres,

until the corsa puts a time down on slicks theres no point in guessing the times or comparing it to other cars with similar mods,

So the R5 is a quicker drag car the corsa is a quicker road car,

is that fair?

MB.

Anonymous

The corsa wont be putting a time down on slicks cause its a fast road car not a drag car.

Like ive been saying to dave the whole way through the thread he is trying to compare a fast road car with a slow drag car and that really is pointless, espeically when he cant even understand what the difference is!

VERY pointless exercise, ive only been invovled in the disucssion myself out of pity for dave in the hope he might learn just SOMETHING about drag racing, but sadly he wasnt able to



I dont understand how Dave can possibly NOT believe me when ive explained it so simply.

You can lead a horse to water, you can pour it a glass, open its mouth, pour so its mouth full and then grab its balls to try and make it swallow, and yet STILL some horses are too stupid to know its time to drink