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Old 22-05-2016, 03:38 PM
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Default Sapph Sunroof Gear splines

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I've done a search on here and found a few threads on the matter.

I have a manual sunroof (winedy - windey) , big tooth spline and want to convert to an electric sunroof. I have all the bits and bobs but the motor has a fine tooth spline gear.

My problem is that I dint have access to Granada parts or other escort parts that i can switch around.

The bracket and motor fits perfectly but thinking of stripping the motor and some how changing the gear or having one made to fit or making some sort of adapter?

I cant change the sunroof mech as I only have one.













Has Anyone stripped the sunroof motor to see if this can be done? (Change the gear)

What other options can I venture towards?

Help would be appreciative

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Old 22-05-2016, 05:51 PM
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so you need a big spline motor?i have two here for sale,looks like a small and a big spline motor?
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Old 22-05-2016, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cozzy jeff
so you need a big spline motor?i have two here for sale,looks like a small and a big spline motor?
Thanks Cozzy Jeff That's the spline I need. I'll PM you, but first I want to try my hand on the engineers.

I've managed to dismantle the unit:




















If I don't come right with either, engineer, clock maker or sunroof installer then last option will to buy a complete unit or maybe just the cog

Hope I win

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Old 23-05-2016, 01:46 PM
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I changed the spline on my sunroof from big teeth to small teeth. There's no need to change the whole sunroof for that. So I simply got a spline from a facelifted 1992 Sierra.
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Originally Posted by Marc sierra
I changed the spline on my sunroof from big teeth to small teeth. There's no need to change the whole sunroof for that. So I simply got a spline from a facelifted 1992 Sierra.
How do you change the sunroof spline? I know of a granada with small spline sunroof!
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If I remember correctly (it has been over 10 years since I changed it) you first open the sunroof and then there are 2 screws that you remove from the top. To actually have room to remove the spline you also need to remove more screws in order to lift the mechanism a bit. When you put the other one back in make sure the spline runs correct on both cables, otherwise the mechanism will run very heavy.
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Originally Posted by Marc sierra
If I remember correctly (it has been over 10 years since I changed it) you first open the sunroof and then there are 2 screws that you remove from the top. To actually have room to remove the spline you also need to remove more screws in order to lift the mechanism a bit. When you put the other one back in make sure the spline runs correct on both cables, otherwise the mechanism will run very heavy.
As far as Ive seen that part of the mech is a sealed unit with specially sealed rivets where the screws pass through. how do you get those out and remounted?
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I'll try and have a look this weekend.
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i know it s an old thread, but do you still have the big spline motor? Thank you

Originally Posted by cozzy jeff
so you need a big spline motor?i have two here for sale,looks like a small and a big spline motor?
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Originally Posted by MaximAlex
i know it s an old thread, but do you still have the big spline motor? Thank you
I manage to source a big spline gear and swapped it out on the motor from the small spline which I am using. I have the small spline gear somewhere.

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I need the big spline gear
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Originally Posted by MaximAlex
I need the big spline gear
Sorry sir I don't have a spare one for you I'm afraid. keep asking around you may have to purchase an entire motor

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Originally Posted by Jack and the Beanstalk
Sorry sir I don't have a spare one for you I'm afraid. keep asking around you may have to purchase an entire motor

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thank you, i am trying to find someone who sells the entire motor
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does any of you have the complete wiring harness for the power to the electric sun roof motor and lights panel , i have all the bits to change mine in the sapphire but no wiring harness, also do you have to cut the headlining to fit the motor and bracket , thanks in advanced
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Which wiring harness do you mean? The one that goes to the sunroof via the A-pillar, or the wiring between electric motor, relay and switches? The wiring for the light panel should be there anyway. For the sunroof you only need a switched 12V. I took it from the other electric windows to make sure it is on the same fuse.
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to power the electric roof , also does the head lining need cutting or anything to make this all fit , i have all the bits plus a second sun roof but no power running up the a pillar , what gauge wire would i need to run
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Yes, you will need to cut the roof a little to fit the motor. You will also need to make a bracket for the back of the cover. I got the switched live from the electric windows wire.
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have you got any photos of yours fitted ?
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This is the bracket i was talking about
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Hmm interesting i didn't know you also needed a additional bracket. I thought the cover just clips onto the main cradle, mind you I'm still mocking mine up for the conversion also? Mine was the windy windy type

Here is a quick vid Youtube vid I saved in search of fitting the same thing


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You have to adjust the motor to stop when the sunroof is closed. That orange spline!
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You talking about the plastic cam gear.

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Yes i was talking about the plastic gear cam
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I'm looking for the small gear spline for my sunroof. Anybody have one or know where I can get one?
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Originally Posted by Graham_
I'm looking for the small gear spline for my sunroof. Anybody have one or know where I can get one?
Going to have to look for a motor and compare yours

Essentially need to strip the motor to get the splined gear out

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