5hane

Apologies for posting up this sort of thread, but i cant figure out who made this chip in my car. The car is running greens / 3 bar sensor etc. It is currently running a t3 turbo but only to 14psi which seems very low; ive been told it was fitted with a t34 at some point (which i own but needs a rebuild)

Plugs after a good thrash seem a little sooted up, so its defiantly running a little rich - just would be nice to up the boost a bit but would rather know if i should swap the chip first!




apologies its a bit blurry

many thanks !

costina

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Get your T34 rebuilt then give msd a call and they will be able to spec a chip to suit all of your mods.
Make sure that fuel pump and wiring are upgraded along with cooling fan wiring.
Msd will advise whats required.
Then you will be able to up the boost peak around 26psi holding 21psi
If your not confident doing it best to book it into msd.

Do it right do it once.

Paul

5hane

Bought another L8 with a closed loop MSD chip for t3/greens so this should hopefully do the trick.

costina

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Make sure the chip is correct for the spec if its for a std T3 then use a std T3 turbo.
you will not be able to fit a T34 without a remap.
If you can afford a quality .wideband afr gauge now is the time.

5hane

Yep Im pretty sure its a t3, as i have the old t34 that was fitted to the car. Ive just started university so money isnt really floating about so im going to keep it the spec it is at the moment (should be 320ish i believe with the chip) and try enjoy some track days when i get the chance. - In a few years ill throw money at it with a new turbo etc, figured this would be a nice "temporary fix" to the current setup; and will hopefully reduce the current coughing and spluttering that happens if i hold the car at part throttle (which didn't help sound testing!) and will allow me to up the boost 21/19 psi i believe

Fortunately i managed to get a innovate lc1 wideband gauge last year for peanuts with two controllers so i will get that fitted properly - made a gauge mount just need to wire it up ! not sure if its the best in the world but its not a ebay special !


For the new MSD chip is there any code i can check to make sure it is what its suppose to be ( im sure it will be id just like to double check) - also will it run without the lambda plugged in ? (im presuming/ hoping it will just run in the "open loop" mode? ) - ill be going to the workshop when i get the chance to plug it in and see if its all okay, but wont be able to wire the lambda up straight away.




Setup should work well and be a night and day to the 14psi going through it at the moment !

costina

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yes there is a code just give them a ring.

I use innovate stuff.

Blades Rally Team

Why not buy a MiniPro Chip reader and get yourself TunerPro see there site at www.TunerPro.net then you can at least investigate what you have in the chip as long as it's not encrypted if you need a xdf file I can provide one send me a pm

Don't go paying out loads of money until you know what you have got already

This is the EEprom reader you will need New USB TL866CS Universal EPROM FLASH AVR GAL PIC Programmer TL866 Pic

Guinnless

All the OP needs to do is ring/email Stu @ MSD to see if the chip he's got is suitable for his setup. This is about as cheap as it gets!

Your Tuner Pro website doesn't mention support for Weber IAW ?

Turbosystems

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All Motorsport Developments evolution weber chips are encrypted

Guinnless

Thought that was the case, Tony.

And if it's not right he can order a new chip off MSD that does the job properly. I wouldn't be messing around with unknown maps and DIY!

Blades Rally Team

Doesn't need to talk about support for IAW when you can pull the Eeprom (or any Eeprom from any ECU) and read it then have the XFD file to be able to change and re-burn the map onto a new Eeprom or the original as may times as you like

That's what I call cheap mapping!

Blades Rally Team

Sorry didn't realise this was an advertising site for MSD thought it was to help and develop people's knowledge of the Ford product and a forum for other to advise how to develop their own and others cars with assistance from a few people that may know a little more for FREE not chargeable.

If NOT let me know and I will bail out!!!!!!

Turbosystems

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My post was in response to the highlighted text you wrote

Guinnless

That's what I call copyright theft unless it's your "mapping" of course.

By all means map your own car of you wish/can but I wouldn't want a map from a "bloke off a forum" without an appropriate repuation.

The OP had bought an ECU with an MSD chip so I thought it sensible to suggest he contact MSD to verify the spec, if the chip was from Turbosystems then contact Tony. You wouldn't approach Vauxhall with a question about a Ford would you?

Why don't you live map it for the OP, for free of course.

Blades Rally Team

Seems you don't understand Copy right law then it is only against the law to re-sell the map not to investigate what you have brought with the car the rights of that map transfer with the sale!!!!!

All I am trying to do is get other like minded people to understand the principal of mapping so that they have an appreciation of the system they do not have to have a go them selves I would always suggest having an expert map the car but if you have this equipment and an emulator (like an Ostrich 2) then the guy on the dyno can use there equipment to live map the car not use someones compromise map (MSD or other) that is not specific to their particular engine

Will help anyone to understand the principals but would always advise them to use an expert on a dyno to live map any car as they are all different and a propriety unit will always be a compromise(Unless you know better!!)

5hane

Thanks for everyone's input, I hope to recoup some of the costs of the new ecu and chip, but may keep the old chip for future use - I would be interested to see what it has been set up for, and also it would give me a spare chip that i can modify rather than having to source another! This is defiantly something i would like to have a go at in the future, just at the moment i want to get the car running nice with its current spec and get to a few track days. Also want to make a new loom for the car using some COP coilpacks ive got back home (figured this is a project i can do away from the workshop when i need a car fix! - and more productive than fooking netflix )

Im away from home till next weekend so wont be able to try the new ECU till then, and the fella who i share my lockup with has took his r32 apart in front of the garage door so there wont be any testing for a while, but as long as it all runs and gets up to temperature I think i can presume that there is nothing wrong with the ECU or chip ive bought?

5hane

Right i managed to get the new ECU plugged in the car - with no lambda plugged in and it all seemed to run okay so i think it is all okay - i cant get the car out of the garage to properly test if for a while.

So im going to message MSD and see if they can id the new chip,

Also, im sure my old ecu is a L8 - but it has the L1/L6 case? can anyone confirm this from a picture? (white adjuster) - I think i would rather swap the ECU case so i can use the mountings.



Cheers for the help !

Glenn_

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I would defo get the fueling checked when its up and running.

Guinnless

It's probably been swapped into a L1/L6 case so that it will fit properly into a 2WD mount behind the dash.

L8s on 4WDs fit behind the passenger kick panel IIRC.

Stu @ M Developments

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Here is the data you require.

Calibration Specification for 8123:
Originally Sold: Feb 2015
ECU Type: L8 ECU
Babyboard Required: Yes
Pectel or Weber: Weber.
Encryption Key required: No


Engine Type: Ford YB 2.0
Engine Compression: Standard
Head Spec: Standard
Camshaft Spec: Standard:
Injectors: Bosch 803s
Turbocharger: T3.48
Map Sensor: 3 bar
Intercooler: RS500 type

Additional Features Installed:
Closed Loop active: Yes
Air Injectors active: No.
Serial Data active: Yes.
Anti Lag active: No
Launch Control active: No
Flat Shift active: No

5hane

Awesome thank you for that ! should be perfect for my current spec then.


Last questions i have, i think,

What distance should the lambda be from the turbo? My wideband gauge lambda is about 10 inches from the turbo, will this be in a similar position ? OEM its usually well down the exhaust, but i have seen them directly behind the turbo (Which i imagine would get too hot?)

Also boost wise it should be setup on the chip now and not need to be adjusted? (21 peak psi? dropping to 19psi?) - sorry i could answer this by running the car but im away from home now for a few weeks unfortunately !


Thanks for all inputs on the thread!!

AiToR51

If you are using now a wideband lambda it usually has a narrow band lambda output (0-1V).. In that case you don't have to install a new lambda..

I'm using an MSD chip with this setup and is working very well

costina

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This is correct. Most afr gauges have this innovate being one of them.
I do run 2 lambda sensors 1.wide and one narrow for closed loop. 1 about 4 in away from exhaust flange and other 2in behind that.

costina

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blakozar

I need calibration specification for 8185