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Cossy Mike 08-03-2015 08:37 AM

AP's under Comp 18's
 
Going to order up bells/rotors soon and need to know the biggest disc size I can use under new Comp Mo 1881's 18x8

I'm receiving conflicting info,

362 x 32 under old style Comp MO 18's will work

378 x 32 under under 18 Rota's? surely can't fit unless they are 19's

Justin's B13 3dr (Fast Ford front cover) 362 x 32 under RL7 17's? surely can't fit unless they are 18's

Looking like I'll be going 362, same as Kev's (K5OSY) as they are close

Albertodelgado 08-03-2015 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by saphcosmike (Post 6568550)
Going to order up bells/rotors soon and need to know the biggest disc size I can use under new Comp Mo 1881's 18x8

I'm receiving conflicting info,

362 x 32 under old style Comp MO 18's will work

378 x 32 under under 18 Rota's? surely can't fit unless they are 19's

Justin's B13 3dr (Fast Ford front cover) 362 x 32 under RL7 17's? surely can't fit unless they are 18's

Looking like I'll be going 362, same as Kev's (K5OSY) as they are close

2wd and 4x4 is already different.
I also have 4x4 with 18inch comp's and AP brakes from Reyland 362mm AP Racing 6-pot CP7040 calipers.
I actually needed to mill down the bracket 1mm because the clearance was almost nothing.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/passion...7dc77f3354.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/passion...cdfd2eb3d9.jpg


On my 2wd is the same brake set but this fits perfectly under 17inch because the brakes are more on the inside of the rim where is more space.

Albertodelgado 08-03-2015 08:59 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/passion...65ee264b88.jpg

this is on my 2wd with 17"s team dynamics
As you can already see on the bells the 2wd brakes fall a lot more to the inside compared to the 4x4's :)

lacey 08-03-2015 11:49 AM

I had 378 with water cooled ap,s under 18" oz wheels
With no prob"s

Cossy Mike 08-03-2015 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Albertodelgado (Post 6568554)
2wd and 4x4 is already different.
I also have 4x4 with 18inch comp's and AP brakes from Reyland 362mm AP Racing 6-pot CP7040 calipers.
I actually needed to mill down the bracket 1mm because the clearance was almost nothing.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/passion...7dc77f3354.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/passion...cdfd2eb3d9.jpg


On my 2wd is the same brake set but this fits perfectly under 17inch because the brakes are more on the inside of the rim where is more space.

Thanks for that

I see, mine is 4wd so looks like ill be going 362's

I have heard the Reyland brackets are close, maybe have to get them elsewhere as I don't want to be machining new parts down for the price of them

Ade500 08-03-2015 01:39 PM

I just fitted the mt Motorsport 362 mm 2wd kit and the fit , finish and service is A1. He has a thread on here.

KSA-Cossie 08-03-2015 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Ade500 (Post 6568654)
I just fitted the mt Motorsport 362 mm 2wd kit and the fit , finish and service is A1. He has a thread on here.

I fitted his 325mm rear kit and it was spot on

Paul_RS 08-03-2015 03:17 PM

What I'd do is bin the 18's and fit 17's - 18's make a Sapphire drive horribly. Plus they catch all 4 arches so you'll need to address that.


Originally Posted by lacey (Post 6568624)
I had 378 with water cooled ap,s under 18" oz wheels
With no prob"s

Not on a Sapphire with Mos. Biggest you can get is 362 on CP5555 calipers.

Cossy Mike 08-03-2015 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie (Post 6568661)
I fitted his 325mm rear kit and it was spot on

Kev is your's CP7040 caliper?

Cossy Mike 08-03-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Paul_RS (Post 6568680)
What I'd do is bin the 18's and fit 17's - 18's make a Sapphire drive horribly. Plus they catch all 4 arches so you'll need to address that.



Not on a Sapphire with Mos. Biggest you can get is 362 on CP5555 calipers.

I know you told me but I'm not listening :shut: :cry:

My arches are fine? not catching anywhere

Paul_RS 08-03-2015 07:51 PM

You aren't low enough or driving hard enough then :cry:

362's are your limit though, even then you may need to fit a bit off the caliper to make them fit :cry:

Toe Knee 08-03-2015 10:36 PM

1 Attachment(s)
370mm x32 under some 18" revolutions which are pretty much the same as comps, tight but fit just!!

Attachment 38570

KSA-Cossie 08-03-2015 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by saphcosmike (Post 6568779)
Kev is your's CP7040 caliper?

Sure are , my arches are fine too

wildheart 09-03-2015 01:19 AM

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380 8 Pots under a Rondel wheel fits so can't see why you wouldn't get that size under a Compomotive.

Attachment 38568[/URL]

Cossy Mike 09-03-2015 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by wildheart (Post 6568895)
380 8 Pots under a Rondel wheel fits so can't see why you wouldn't get that size under a Compomotive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Picture043.jpg[/URL]

Looks like the 7040 caliper is the limiting factor and also 4wd bells

Just waiting for Mark to reply from MT motorsport

Does anyone know the part numbers or a link to the genuine AP 362 x 32 j-hooks?

It's coming up 4 options on there website

Thanks for all the reply's, big help :top:

Paul_RS 13-03-2015 05:46 PM

PM Mark King on here - he just bought some AP discs and may be able to get you a part no.


Originally Posted by wildheart (Post 6568895)
380 8 Pots under a Rondel wheel fits so can't see why you wouldn't get that size under a Compomotive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Picture043.jpg[/URL]

That's an Escort :cry:

You've no mission of getting that size disc on a Sapphire.

Cossy Mike 13-03-2015 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Paul_RS (Post 6570455)
PM Mark King on here - he just bought some AP discs and may be able to get you a part no.



That's an Escort :cry:

You've no mission of getting that size disc on a Sapphire.

I've since found them Paul, cost is £402.11 each :cry:

CP5772-168 RH
CP5772-168 LH

I sent a message to MT to price them up but apparently he took offence as I sent it on a Sunday.......I'll be getting the stuff from Martin at Reyland, at least he has the decency to contact you back.

KSA-Cossie 13-03-2015 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by saphcosmike (Post 6570514)
I've since found them Paul, cost is £402.11 each :cry:

CP5772-168 RH
CP5772-168 LH

I sent a message to MT to price them up but apparently he took offence as I sent it on a Sunday.......I'll be getting the stuff from Martin at Reyland, at least he has the decency to contact you back.

Keep me posted on the prices please Mike , I fancy J hook ones too.

cozzy jeff 13-03-2015 09:38 PM

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"J" hooks on the rear of mine,bought from reyland,cant fault his service,ill be replacing the front AP's with the same once they are worn out.
Attachment 38343

Cossy Mike 13-03-2015 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie (Post 6570516)
Keep me posted on the prices please Mike , I fancy J hook ones too.

I will do Kev but the rotors will not be genuine AP, martins own.....tbh it's not worth the extra £180 a rotor for genuine unless my car is a track whore :cry:

MT said groove is what he normally orders

Cossy Mike 13-03-2015 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by cozzy jeff (Post 6570548)
"J" hooks on the rear of mine,bought from reyland,cant fault his service,ill be replacing the front AP's with the same once they are worn out.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...psgdopk35a.jpg

Lovely them mate, wel jel :shocked:

wildheart 14-03-2015 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by Paul_RS (Post 6570455)
PM Mark King on here - he just bought some AP discs and may be able to get you a part no.



That's an Escort :cry:

You've no mission of getting that size disc on a Sapphire.

Still a 4x4 like thge saph so why not? :?

Paul_RS 15-03-2015 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by wildheart (Post 6570601)
Still a 4x4 like thge saph so why not? :?

Wheel offset is totally different ;-)

Same brakes will hit a wheel on a Sapphire as the caliper face touches the back of the wheel's spokes. The lower offset on an Escort allows way more clearance. 363mm discs are the biggest you can fit on a Sapphire with a CP5555 caliper. You can do 378mm on an Escort with the same caliper and wheels.

wildheart 15-03-2015 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Paul_RS (Post 6570989)
Wheel offset is totally different ;-)

Same brakes will hit a wheel on a Sapphire as the caliper face touches the back of the wheel's spokes. The lower offset on an Escort allows way more clearance. 363mm discs are the biggest you can fit on a Sapphire with a CP5555 caliper. You can do 378mm on an Escort with the same caliper and wheels.

Oh yeah, i didn't think of that :cry::cry::cry:


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