Dizzy blanking
19-07-2008, 03:37 PM
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Dizzy blanking
Hey guys. I have just purchased a wasted spark kit for me cossy and am looking forward to fitting it up. Get rid of that shite old system along with the dizzy. Only questions is I would prefer to remove the old dizzy as it looks completely shite. Does anyone know if you can get a blanking plug which replaces the dizzy. Would look much better and I would get lots of joy smashing it with a sledge hammer. lol Cheers Mike
19-07-2008, 04:03 PM
#2
Not as simple as just removing it
https://passionford.com/forum/technical-essay-archives/117489-fitting-a-cam-cover-mounted-phase-sensor-to-a-yb.html
https://passionford.com/forum/technical-essay-archives/117489-fitting-a-cam-cover-mounted-phase-sensor-to-a-yb.html
19-07-2008, 06:01 PM
#6
You can remove it, just install a drive piece from Reyland, so the top is just a blank, but underneath contains the drive to pump intact.
Trouble with coilpack is it doubles the amount of amps to go wrong as they often do, apart from the horrendous cost of course.
tabetha
Trouble with coilpack is it doubles the amount of amps to go wrong as they often do, apart from the horrendous cost of course.
tabetha
19-07-2008, 09:02 PM
#7
You can remove it, just install a drive piece from Reyland, so the top is just a blank, but underneath contains the drive to pump intact.
Trouble with coilpack is it doubles the amount of amps to go wrong as they often do, apart from the horrendous cost of course.
tabetha
Trouble with coilpack is it doubles the amount of amps to go wrong as they often do, apart from the horrendous cost of course.
tabetha
Surely replacing a piece of rotating equipment with two solid state components is better ? ? ?
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19-07-2008, 10:19 PM
#8
and i would much rather replace an ign amp, than replace an aftermarket ecu which is more likley to fail imo....most of them are cheap for a reason
ive covered well over 100k in my saff....never had a single ign amp failure, infact the oe one is still being used on my coilpack conversion.....15 years old.....
ive covered well over 100k in my saff....never had a single ign amp failure, infact the oe one is still being used on my coilpack conversion.....15 years old.....
Last edited by JTECH James; 19-07-2008 at 10:22 PM.
20-07-2008, 07:45 AM
#9
I forgot about the inclusion of the phase sensor anyway!!
B9KOS, you will still have to mod to get cam signal, unless you run aftermarket that does batch fired, or just batch fire the std ecu instead of sequential, oh sorry it can't can it, more money then.
There are not that many problems caused by a WELL MAINTAINED dizzy set up, and it MUCH cheaper(£55) to get a 60,000 volt coil than a coilpack conversion, the stuff has worked for donkeys years, the only reason why the phase sensor naffs up is because of sub standard insualtion used on original ones, any electronic component can fail, even ignition amps, my point is you are merely shifting a potential failure point from inside the dizzy(phase sensor) to out side(another amp).
When you look at prices msd charge, for all the goody bits, then compare with aftermarket ecu with all the bits necessary you might come to a different conclusion.
Just because two whole people have not had one fail they must be reliable then!!
So why would a ecu one be more likely to fail jtech, why have ecu manufacturers chosen this path ?, should they not have consulted you first as you have one that has not failed so it shows total reliability based on one person.
Considering what they do they should have total reliability, but elctronics don't work that way, oh by the way ecu's can be repaired if necessary, though I must say I have never known of or seen a ignition amp stage fail on one, that was not caused by human error.
Some as you put it may be "cheap" because they are not rip off artitsts as well!!
tabetha
B9KOS, you will still have to mod to get cam signal, unless you run aftermarket that does batch fired, or just batch fire the std ecu instead of sequential, oh sorry it can't can it, more money then.
There are not that many problems caused by a WELL MAINTAINED dizzy set up, and it MUCH cheaper(£55) to get a 60,000 volt coil than a coilpack conversion, the stuff has worked for donkeys years, the only reason why the phase sensor naffs up is because of sub standard insualtion used on original ones, any electronic component can fail, even ignition amps, my point is you are merely shifting a potential failure point from inside the dizzy(phase sensor) to out side(another amp).
When you look at prices msd charge, for all the goody bits, then compare with aftermarket ecu with all the bits necessary you might come to a different conclusion.
Just because two whole people have not had one fail they must be reliable then!!
So why would a ecu one be more likely to fail jtech, why have ecu manufacturers chosen this path ?, should they not have consulted you first as you have one that has not failed so it shows total reliability based on one person.
Considering what they do they should have total reliability, but elctronics don't work that way, oh by the way ecu's can be repaired if necessary, though I must say I have never known of or seen a ignition amp stage fail on one, that was not caused by human error.
Some as you put it may be "cheap" because they are not rip off artitsts as well!!
tabetha
20-07-2008, 08:11 AM
#10
you can move the phase sensor to a cam trigger, similar to a tdc sensor.......
most aftermarket ecus ive seen are tat, and built cheaply imo. i cant see them givin 15 years trouble free work like a high quality oe items, which are tested to be uber reliable
most aftermarket ecus ive seen are tat, and built cheaply imo. i cant see them givin 15 years trouble free work like a high quality oe items, which are tested to be uber reliable
20-07-2008, 09:44 AM
#11
[quote=tabetha]
Why the hell would anyone downgrade to batch fire? Dont be ridiculous. ROFLOL 
Yep. Then you can save a few quid and be able to still run your 0.5mm spark gap so your car runs poor off boost and still pops farst and missfires like all the other people using such great cheap technology. You know, Tabs has a valid point well worth considering yeah? 
Funny. I havent seen the insulation fail on one thats under 10 years old. Cant be that bad... and they are £20. hardly a big problem.
No your not.
The phase sensor has to stay, and ignition amps are uber reliable.
You said that here, and i challenged you to prove your point.
https://passionford.com/forum/general-car-related-discussion/247967-people-with-closed-loop.html
So lets be seeing your reply eh? You seem to forget that most of what we charge teh £400 for, is needed for your new ECU anyway. HT leads, Coilpack, loom. You may get away without an amp and bracket. So thats only actually £80 saved plus the driver, = £220. Can you buy a sequential firing ECU with WS drivers installed for £220? If you can, would you want to run a £550bhp YB with it?
Im looking forward to your reply here anyway:
https://passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247967 so ive BTTT it for you.
unless you run aftermarket that does batch fired, or just batch fire the std ecu instead of sequential, oh sorry it can't can it, more money then.
There are not that many problems caused by a WELL MAINTAINED dizzy set up, and it MUCH cheaper(£55) to get a 60,000 volt coil than a coilpack conversion
the only reason why the phase sensor naffs up is because of sub standard insualtion used on original ones
my point is you are merely shifting a potential failure point from inside the dizzy(phase sensor) to out side(another amp).
The phase sensor has to stay, and ignition amps are uber reliable.
When you look at prices msd charge, for all the goody bits, then compare with aftermarket ecu with all the bits necessary you might come to a different conclusion.
https://passionford.com/forum/general-car-related-discussion/247967-people-with-closed-loop.html
So lets be seeing your reply eh? You seem to forget that most of what we charge teh £400 for, is needed for your new ECU anyway. HT leads, Coilpack, loom. You may get away without an amp and bracket. So thats only actually £80 saved plus the driver, = £220. Can you buy a sequential firing ECU with WS drivers installed for £220? If you can, would you want to run a £550bhp YB with it?
Im looking forward to your reply here anyway:
https://passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247967 so ive BTTT it for you.
20-07-2008, 11:11 AM
#12
To be blunt stu having used TWO of your chips, both checked by kenny I would not use them again, they were utter shite, the massive hole was unbelievable between 1800-2500 despite giving exact spec, a shonky old ea at least cured that, all I wasa advised is a £500 live map would cure it.
Oddly enough when at stage 1 a off the shelf GGR chip did the job perfectly.
All insults greatfully received.
tabetha
as you can see unlike a lot of others I am not a arse licker to msd.
Oddly enough when at stage 1 a off the shelf GGR chip did the job perfectly.
All insults greatfully received.
tabetha
as you can see unlike a lot of others I am not a arse licker to msd.
Last edited by tabetha; 20-07-2008 at 11:12 AM.
20-07-2008, 11:33 AM
#13
imo the problem was more likely to be at your end.
but its physically impossible to judge ve 100% over the phone....every engine is going to be different
saying that my msd off the shelf chips were perfect, the last dyno run i did the guy thought it had been live mapped, as the fuelling was so precise.... he was quite shocked when i told him otherwise...squeezed every single last drop of power from my t34 aswell
you say £500 for a live map is expensive? personally i dont agree.
a chip off the shelf is £250 from almost anywhere, more if you need a board aswell.
it takes alot of time to perfect a map, checking/adjusting cold start maps in the morning to ensure they are perfect...the car will be there a week....during the map you also get a full setup....checking gapping sensors etc.....then the cost of the equipment to do it.......
manfacturers spend millions on testing /mapping....by comparison, with all things taken into account i think its good value from msd.....near enough isnt good enough, and it takes time to go the extra mile...this is where others fall short imo..
i take it your aftermarket ecu is not being mapped live then? or on the dyno? as you seem to disagree this is better, and would have cured your problem....
if your map is £250ish as you said, how much work do you expect actually gets done for that? ready in 1 day?
do you expect people to work for nothing?
ps, not an arse licker, just a very very happy customer who has tried many alternatives in the past.
but its physically impossible to judge ve 100% over the phone....every engine is going to be different
saying that my msd off the shelf chips were perfect, the last dyno run i did the guy thought it had been live mapped, as the fuelling was so precise.... he was quite shocked when i told him otherwise...squeezed every single last drop of power from my t34 aswell
you say £500 for a live map is expensive? personally i dont agree.
a chip off the shelf is £250 from almost anywhere, more if you need a board aswell.
it takes alot of time to perfect a map, checking/adjusting cold start maps in the morning to ensure they are perfect...the car will be there a week....during the map you also get a full setup....checking gapping sensors etc.....then the cost of the equipment to do it.......
manfacturers spend millions on testing /mapping....by comparison, with all things taken into account i think its good value from msd.....near enough isnt good enough, and it takes time to go the extra mile...this is where others fall short imo..
i take it your aftermarket ecu is not being mapped live then? or on the dyno? as you seem to disagree this is better, and would have cured your problem....
if your map is £250ish as you said, how much work do you expect actually gets done for that? ready in 1 day?
do you expect people to work for nothing?
ps, not an arse licker, just a very very happy customer
who has tried many alternatives in the past.
Last edited by JTECH James; 20-07-2008 at 12:50 PM.
20-07-2008, 03:17 PM
#14
To be blunt stu having used TWO of your chips, both checked by kenny I would not use them again, they were utter shite, the massive hole was unbelievable between 1800-2500 despite giving exact spec, a shonky old ea at least cured that, all I wasa advised is a £500 live map would cure it.
Oddly enough when at stage 1 a off the shelf GGR chip did the job perfectly.
All insults greatfully received.
tabetha
as you can see unlike a lot of others I am not a arse licker to msd.
Oddly enough when at stage 1 a off the shelf GGR chip did the job perfectly.
All insults greatfully received.
tabetha
as you can see unlike a lot of others I am not a arse licker to msd.
Before i reply, i have to ask what the hell your reply has got to do with this topic? Seems you dont like being told your wrong and instead think by slagging me off people wont notice you have been proven to be talkin rubbish.
Onto your reply...
So we sold you two chips for your alleged spec. Neither worked well with apparent lean spots at low throttle and i had kenny check them for a second opinion, he agreed for your "Alleged" spec they were fine. Yet we sold them onto customers with the same alleged spec and they are still happy to this day, with none of your reported problems. What can i say? I wont argue with you, i would just refend you and im sure we will have done so, without quibble. kenny and I know a thing or two about YB mapping and we both considered them fine... but plainly we knoe less than you, which is fine, theres always someopne out there with more knowledge. I learn new thinsg every day.
Sadly though, i guess all the other people we sold chips to via mail order with no problems are wrong to be happy.
We sell lots of chips for lots of engine specs via e-mail, telephone and ebay... guess what... they all seem to be happy too.
But i accept we cant win them all. Like you and topic replies it seems...
Last edited by Stu @ M Developments; 20-07-2008 at 03:20 PM.
20-07-2008, 04:54 PM
#15
Stu,
I am not backing Tabs up here, but you have to admit that a LOT of people do seem to brown nose you/MSD on here; and I'm not trying to cause arguement but I think a few people on here do get annoyed with it. Especially if like Tabs, claims he was not happy with something bought from MSD. I've heard bad things about most tuners on here, but I think you always will; and that is the trouble success brings jealousy.
Continue fighting ladies
I am not backing Tabs up here, but you have to admit that a LOT of people do seem to brown nose you/MSD on here; and I'm not trying to cause arguement but I think a few people on here do get annoyed with it. Especially if like Tabs, claims he was not happy with something bought from MSD. I've heard bad things about most tuners on here, but I think you always will; and that is the trouble success brings jealousy.
Continue fighting ladies
20-07-2008, 05:35 PM
#17
If you want to put a topic up saying i am an arsehole, or even that you love me, that is great, and we can chat there, but what has brought it up on this topic?
20-07-2008, 05:58 PM
#18
Stu,
Not calling you an arsehole at all. Without reading this thread again, or it may have been on the other one, you said that Tabs seems to have a bad thing for your company!
Was simply saying that maybe he goes for you cos in his opinion his service from MSD was not good, and then he sees everyone brownnosing on here
Not calling you an arsehole at all. Without reading this thread again, or it may have been on the other one, you said that Tabs seems to have a bad thing for your company!
Was simply saying that maybe he goes for you cos in his opinion his service from MSD was not good, and then he sees everyone brownnosing on here
20-07-2008, 08:39 PM
#21
Hey guys. I have just purchased a wasted spark kit for me cossy and am looking forward to fitting it up. Get rid of that shite old system along with the dizzy. Only questions is I would prefer to remove the old dizzy as it looks completely shite. Does anyone know if you can get a blanking plug which replaces the dizzy. Would look much better and I would get lots of joy smashing it with a sledge hammer. lol Cheers Mike
Granted, not as smooth looking as completely removing the dizzy but a lot cheaper and easier than modifying the inlet cam, cam cover and the rest of it relocate the phase sensor.
As far as the actual coil pack conversion goes its without doubt the best mod ive done to the car!
So much smoother to drive and no misfires!! Well worth doing!
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