domino

hi guys,,,prob going to keep the connect now so looking into a few bits

mapped my scoob many many times so i know a bit about it but dont know anything about the frs or whats on the market for it,,or who to go to for good work so a few questions for you all if you can help

can the standerd ecu be mapped ???,,,if so whats the pros and cons,,and cost

whats a blue fin ??,,,sorry if im being thick

what aftermarket ecu's are there and there cost's,,,been offered a omex at one point but as i said dont know alot about them

who is good with the frs ie mapping it,, doing work on it,,,iv got a very good mapper but he doesnt do any fords,,,he said he could but id rarther go to a proper ford mapper

Zetecfiesta

Depends which Focus Rs your talking about! MK1 read below:

Yes the standard ECU can be mapped, i know Motorsports Development have done a couple. I believe a live map from them starts at about £500

Bluefin is the name for the handheld device Superchips currently sell, you get the unit plug it in and load the map and its done believe the cost of this is around £300. this is available for mk1 and mk2 RS's

Other companies do maps for the Rs as well, Dreamscience are good but Pete at Demon Performance Centre: http://www.demonperformancecentre.co.uk/ can also do remaps and most mk 1 FRS owners take their cars to him he does mk2's as well though, great prices and great knowledge and doesnt rip you off.

Mk2 FRS have alot more plug and play style remaps: Revo, Code Red, Mountune, JR racing, Jamsport, Sitech, thats just to name a few sure there are loads more!

Aftermarket ECU is not something ive looked at unfortunatly so couldnt give any advise on this!

phil_focus

jamsport can remapp the standard ecu too, my mate went to them with his rs converted mk1 focus and not had any problems. he recomends them actually

domino

thanks for the help guys ,,,its a transit connect with mk1 rs running gear,,,looks like a live map on the standered ecu is the way ill go as im just after getting the most out of whats there im not going to be modding it to much

Zetecfiesta

well what are your plans for it mate? if its just basic stuff, airfilter, actuator, dumpvalve, exhaust i wouldnt bother with a remap id put it on dreamscience remove the amal valve run it direct with boost set to about 22psi and youve got a great usable power! you can add a hybrid and a tubular manifold and it will be even better.

phil_focus

you can do all that and still have the standard ecu remaped. Alex runs around 320bhp (not that all out power is the test for an ecu) on the standard ecu, i just don't see the need for getting rid of it to be honest.

Zetecfiesta

Rereading what i wrote what i meant to say was why bother with a livemap, yeah you can spend £500 plus on a live map but a dreamscience unit for about half that will do just fine, im running over 300bhp and got everything i listed above!

phil_focus

is your dreamscience unit a generic map then?

not sure a live map would be as much as £500 to be honest as you'd be starting from a decent map anyway but without calling the tuners i wouldn't know for sure.

does the dreamscience plug straight into the focus loom?

bassboy

The DS is a generic map and so the likes of the BF and all the other units mentioned...

The problem with the generic maps are that they overfuel heavily! This can result in poor economy and a loss of power (as you probably know)...however, they are a GREAT method for cheap upgrade and hike in power and its what most people use with great success!

I normally say anything up to around the 320-330hp, use the DS or BF, anything above, personally I would get it live mapped from MSD as I will be doing myself.

MSD are also able to map for bigger injectors and will be able to push the MAF sensor as far as it will possibly go!

Alot of people who claim they can map the FRS management, map through a DS unit! I know MSD actually map onto the ECU itself and retain all OEM features

Fingers crossed mine will be making its way up to MSD after my inlet, cams and rods are done...ill only be able to comment on how good the custom maps are once thats done.

But I can happily compare the DS and BF as I have both units sat here lol

domino

i will only be live mapping it on the road as i thats what im used to to be honest and its the best way to map a car imo,,,

plans for it are,,not much realy at the mo lol,,,,im not after outright power as iv got a 450+bhp scoob for that,,,,,ill be fitting a dump valve and de-cat ,,inducion kit and thats about it realy as im just after a bit more fun not unusable power

thanks again guys all the info i can get will help

Rollinz

the std ecu can be custom mapped, but not live mapped

there is a diference

got for aftermarket
i use DTA s60 pro,
one of them fitted mapped job lott
drive in drive out
£1300
GR Performance

domino

thanks for the info

GUZZLER

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Custom map around £500, if done properly will see good results, as for mapping road vs dyno, there's nothing wrong with mapping on a dyno and doing some road tests afterwards.

domino

iv always mapped on the road so im quite used to it now,,,,ill prob be going for a aftermarket ecu as it seems the bet value for money realy

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Your wrong, it can be live mapped.

Zetecfiesta

was gonna say, stu has live mapped a few now!

Rollinz

i wasnt aware this could be done?

so you remap the origional unit? or you talking unchip or somthing???

if you can live map the for ecu, i suggest you get onto RSOC in the focus section and get them told cause theres always debates on which is best map to go for, (blufin/dreamscience etc)
but if u can live map them, you will get SHED loads of busines

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

We EMULATE the original and access it live whilst driving the vehicle.
There is no other way to live map. The RSOC boys are quite aware that we do this, we have been doing it since the car was 9 months old.

Rollinz

so for cars such as mine..
runing a GT35, custom inlet, and diferent throttle body
could you have got the std ecu to work propperly??

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Yes. Would need it a minimum of a week though. 2 would be nicer.

McGoo 69

big_wasa

run it on an Rs ecu and loom or go for an aftermarket ecu.