BRAMMER

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As featured in the Septenber issue of Performance ford.

Anyone had this conversion done yet???
Looking for a dealer and a price of the conversion.

James Raby

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sure it's only Jamsport wh's the dealer

BRAMMER

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Anyone got a price on the conversion?

agbrown

Give Jamsport a call in Northampton - www.jam-sport.co.uk

Official dealer, with full fitting and mapping.

Prices are 'I think' Ł1000 supplied, including fitting/installation, and full mapping on dyno with fine tuning on the street.

Very good value, and proven high quality product. Has many features that are only available on much more expensive systems - E.g full datalogging, 5v wideband lambda control, 32 load points for fuel and ignition (many other systems have only 16 or 20), launch control, flatshift, VVT control, plus many others.

PF Nicks car has NEVER been smoother or faster, since fitting the Gotech.

Look out for test in Track and RaceCars magazine soon

Rick

what is this? Just an efi ecu?

agbrown

No.. Just a new product to the Ford scene!

It's a fully fledged Fuel and ignition ecu.

It can even drive your coil or coilpacks directly from the internal igntion drivers, saving you hassle wiring a tp100 type ignition module.

32 load points fuel and ignition
up to 12,000 rpm
(phased)semi- sequential injection
Closed loop Lambda control 0-1 and 0-5 wideband
DataLogging
Launch control
Flatshift
Can use distributor for triggering - or multi tooth wheel 60-2 bosch / 36-1 ford / or Rotary with TDC
Can run 12 high impedence injectors - so okay with 4 cyl motor with twin injector set-up
Second (outer) Injector control - fully mappable over the 32 load and rpm points
nitrous control
VVT control
Fuel pump control
Plus all the usual correction maps eg: air temp/batt voltage/cold start water temp/warmup fueling and so on.

Race Proven in International Touring Car Series for over 3 years with the factory Alfa Romeo 147GTA 3.2 V6

Nick from PF mag is running on his car, and has had fantastic results.

Comes complete with fully terminated, and labled loom with high quality overbraiding, and heatshrink

Ł1000 fitted and MAPPED!!!!!

BRAMMER

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It got a good write-up in performance ford few months back well interested in it for my fiesta looks a proper piece of kit.

GrimmeRS2K

so do u have to have efi inlet and sensors on your car, or can it use KE sensors

agbrown

Yeah, h196jne

Nick's car when further modified, will really show the gains available from a good engine management system.

It's the best system available in the UK - when you compare the features available for the price!
i.e value for money....

The retail price of the ECU and loom (less fitting/mapping) is cheaper than a second hand cossie ecu and loom!!! and only a little bit more than the 5th injector kits for the RS turbo's (ecu only)

Gotech MFI is the answer.

agbrown

It can use KE water temp sensor, throttle body. Nothing else is needed. Gets rid of the metering unit completely, and frees up the airflow restriction as a result.

Need fuel injectors (obviously), but i think they can be retro fitted into the KE inlet manifold - check with Jamsport.....

The Air temp sensor is built into the ecu (+1.5 bar or +3bar positive)
you don't need a TPS on the throttle body - runs really well on the built in map sensor, and will privide full accel enrichment via the map sensor too. No need for the TPS for this feature.

If you run Jenvey T/B's you fit a tps sensor. Then you use TPS for idle and off boost control, and it switches to map when positive boost is sensed - automatically - this gives really smooth control.

Nicks car runs and early KE type inlet plenum/manifold.

GrimmeRS2K

sounds like a bit of kit what i could be after, do u need to have CPS though?, sorry about the questions!, but dont know much about other management systems other than the old KE-Jet!

BRAMMER

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agbrown ,
The plan is to get the zetec bottom end in and box/clutch etc.... then too get the management fitted over the winter.
Would this work fine with this set-up and what injectors do you use are they dk/greens or BIGGER

agbrown

Hi,

Yes, the Gotech works great with the Zetec bottom end, I assume you'll use the 36-1 crank trigger wheel??

With the injectors, you need to size for the projected power output, but I guess dark greens would cover it!

If you get rid of the dizzy in the head, you can run the zetec coil pack, and fire it directly from the ecu via three wires, (power and two ignition outputs)

Doing this will give you a very healthy BIG spark, as the Gotech direct output has more punch than the typical TP100 type ingition modules.

If you keep the standard dizzy and coil, you can fire this direct too!!

wildheart

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Think i'd like to see the results on a few more cars before i'd consider parting with my cash

agbrown

What do you mean CPS???

addiction

The costings are as follows.

Management supplied, fitted and mapped on the car. Ł1000 + vat

Modify your inlet manifold to take injectors Ł200 + vat

Injectors Ł300 + vat


Job done.

agbrown

Wildheart

Yeah cool, know what you mean.

If you contact Jamsport, they'll be able to give you details of cars running Gotech right now.

1.9 turbo CVH with throttle bodies is one for sure - a twin turbo 6 cyl Jaguar - and Vauxhall motors, Various race Alfa V6 engines, but give them a call if you want to see a car.

wildheart

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Im happy enough with my KE-JET

Got it set up by the right person

BRAMMER

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Crank position sensor, Fiesta turbo block.

No , the demo car in performance ford was a series 2 so no CPS..

agbrown

h196jne

Okay, yes will work with CPS.

Nick's car yes, is a S2 and uses normal dizzy and coil.

any other engine mods??

agbrown

Cool

turbotoaster

will they have a go at fitting to other cars, or just fords

BRAMMER

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I would have thought so but give www.jam-sport.co.uk a call these are a gotech dealer.

bassboy

agbrown, hi mate would it be possible for this system to control a Zetec Turbo running a monster spec? i.e T34, custom inlet and exhaust, 750cc injectors etc etc?

if it can...i can vaguely see where my money is going! howmuch is it just for the kit supplied?

bassboy

Rick

Interesting, Does it use the hall effect from the std dizzy? Does it know the absolute timing, or will this change as u twist the dizzy? I'd be mapping it myself, as the engine is constanty changing. Does it come with it's own software?

What air and water temperarture sensors does it use?

Gotech Racing

Hi (changed my user name)! bassboy.

Monster zetec is no problem.

Gotech MFI-pro system would be used. I assume you'll keep the 36-1 cranks trigger?

You could go to 8 injector setup if you wanted, with the second set fully mapable to ramp up wherever you need them.

You could switch completely to the outer set, or have a mix of both at any load and rpm point you choose. Or stay with the 4x 750cc for a simple install. Ideally better to run with new type high impedence injectors, than the old cossie L/Imp type.

You'll need to contact Jamsport for pricing - see above for contact details. Kit with the fully terminated loom is around (don't quote me) Ł430 for the Pro, and Ł330 for the Std - less fitting and a full dyno and road mapping session.

We are working on dealer fit only at present as the system is new here, and Jamsport are the only guys who've had training time with the software, mapping, and customer support.

This will change as the dealer network grows, and will then be available for d.i.y fitment.

Gotech Racing

Hi Rick

Yes, it does use the std hall effect sensor in the dizzy. Very similar to the VW golf gti mk 1/2. You have to align the distributor with the timing in the software. I.e you enter a mode which sets all timing to 20 deg adv, then twist dizzy until correct match. Then positively reference mark the dizz and head and lock off.

Twisting the dizzy from this reference point after engine has been mapped will alter the overall timing advance. i.e do not move it!!

You really need a dyno or rolling road to map with the software

Ait temp sensor is supplied in the loom, for fitment in air filter or boost hose.

Can use std RS turbo temp sensor


Jamsport have all the details!

nigel b

for the price and features it seems really good
dont like the idea of using a 20yr old dizzy,coil packs would seem more logical
it will only be as good as the person mapping it
crap mapper=crap results
excellent mapper=rewarding results

Gotech Racing

Dizzy or coil packs, take your pick! Nicks car runs very well on the std dizzy and coil.

Mapping as you say - good in to get good out!


However, the software is more suited for tuning on the dyno, by the nature of it's design.

Rab

What other applications can it be used for? IS it fords only, or could it run in place of Rover MEMS, or on Honda etc?

Rick

Thanks for the info I'd map it on the road using my wideband lambda gear, like i do my existing stuff. I can't quite see how a road car will map well with out a TPS. There are far different fuelling and advane requirements at 10psi part throttle than 10psi full throttle. Can u shed any light on this?

How does the wideband work? Is it closed loop? Can it revert to the map after certain loads/speeds? Also, does it hunt for lambda 1, or can u set it different target afr depending on load?

Rick.

addiction

http://www.gotech.co.za/

Gotech Racing

For mail enquiries mail: gotech@motorshoot.com

Cheers

Tim

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If nick comes in his car tom i will ask him to take me out in it and i will post what i recon too it on errrrrrrrrr chaps.
Tim

Gotech Racing

Gotech can be fitted to almost any car. As long as there is some kind of rpm input, (dizzy-triggerwheel-tdc sensor)

We have gotech running Honda V-tech turbocharged, and supercharger already. Also V6 and V8 motors.

Plenty of of VW,Vauxhall, Toyota, Skylines, and so on.

If you have a car that runs on carbs, for example a XR2 on twin webers, or a Escort Mexico (in fact an RSturbo with mechanical injection also)

you just add a tps switch to the carb/throttlebody, and you have full 3D mapped ignition control!! Very cheap to do.

Huge gain in drivability, as you have full control of the ignition curve eveywhere. Nore more screwing around with re-calibrated dizzys and bad low speed running.

Alternativly, how about this - If you just want a "5th injector", use Gotech MFI-STD on your RSTurbo, with the injector in place, and you have FULL control of the mapping. Not just by a boost switch. It's mappable everywhere, via RPM and BOOST and Throttle position.

If you want to add up to 4 extra injectos - no problem.

Then it's easy in the future to go full management if you want, just wire in the ignition side of things when you upgrade.

??How much do you pay for a good 5th injector kit??? Gotech MFI-STD= Ł340 and is a full system with datalogging and things like launch control and flatshift.

Andrew

CabrioTurbo

mappable 5th injector from ERL is arround Ł250 IIRC the gotech management system does seem like a very good option!
i will kindly donate my car for further testing of the ECU if required!

Gotech Racing

Hi Rick

As I mentioned, the software is designed around mapping on dyno or r/road with it's mode of operation, so it's difficult to map on the road.

You could use WB lambda for fine tweaks to the fueling, e.g the very best cruise economy, or checking the full power afr's, but how would you tune for part load boost at 5000 rpm? How do you hold the car under load at that rpm for any appreciable time to allow you to make accurate adjustments.

The same goes for the ignition advance. How would you hold peak torque for any time on the road? say 5000 rpm full boost. Or even map the ignition points as the boost spools up at say between 2800 and 3400 - on the road? Please advise on your method for mapping a car from scratch, and building a full map.

The Gotech system maps really well with only a map sensor - you can run TPS for throttle angle feedback, but you dont need to. The main reason for this being that you do not worry about the throttle %, only the manifold pressure, as the system maps on a huge Pressure v RPM map with a turbo engine in mode 4.

On a Nat Aspirated motor you would have different advance and fueling at say 4000rpm part throttle cruise, than you would at 4000rpm full throttle, this is due to the cylinder filling - the speed that the mixture in the chamber burns, varies with the amount of compression that the charge is under.

So - at a small throttle opening @ 4000rpm rpm, the cylinder will only partially fill, compared to wide-open throttle at the same rpm. It follows that you need different ignition timing for the same engine speed - based on engine load.

With a turbo motor, you would map for RPM x Load (boost pressure+vaccum)

But - 10 psi positive boost is 10 psi ! - So, cylinder filling will be equal if at part throttle or full load. Hence you only need a map sensor to get an accurate map.

Hope this shed some light

WideBand will work 0-1v or 0-5 in the software.

It runs closed loop - switchable. So you have the option on just using it for logging (monitoring) afr if you wish

It will revert bact to the main map at any load point you choose 0-32

You can set what rpm point you want it to switch on

You can set the target AFR

You can set the amount of millisecond correction allowed above/below the default base map

You can set the Response time (ramp) for the ecu to respond to millivolt changes from the sensor.

Phew - that was a long post.


Thanks for the interest Rick


Andrew

Gotech Racing

Good to meet you today Tim - hope you had fun on the shoot.

I was glad you were at least able to get a look and see the Gotech MFI ecu, and the full loom in you own hands - if not in Nicks car. Next time!!

Cheers



Andrew

akito-man

what was that again????

sounds good

CasperR

Sounds ok, and for the price it could kinda compete against megasquirt.. problem is that megasquirt has a huge user group where you can get help with your mapping.