HELP AE piston rings???? wtf do i do with these!
30-01-2011, 09:27 PM
#1
HELP AE piston rings???? wtf do i do with these!
Right, this is probably going to have a simple answer and i will feel a fool!
These are my new ae piston rings, all have good gaps in bores (the actual rings) but i have no idea what to do with the oil control rings
Its like they are too long.... (the separator bit), i have never seen this type before and have used the ones which hook over the end or have a gap.
Should i shorten these? or are the ends supposed to but up to one another and provide extra tension to the scraper rings?
The pics on the packets dont really help as they show a gap
,
The ends are ground very square, i just don't know if i should cut them down or not. They physically go on the piston, and i suspect would go into the bore, just seam far too stiff fitted.
Hope some one has used this type.
Rob,
These are my new ae piston rings, all have good gaps in bores (the actual rings) but i have no idea what to do with the oil control rings
Its like they are too long.... (the separator bit), i have never seen this type before and have used the ones which hook over the end or have a gap.
Should i shorten these? or are the ends supposed to but up to one another and provide extra tension to the scraper rings?
The pics on the packets dont really help as they show a gap
, The ends are ground very square, i just don't know if i should cut them down or not. They physically go on the piston, and i suspect would go into the bore, just seam far too stiff fitted.
Hope some one has used this type.
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 30-01-2011 at 09:28 PM.
30-01-2011, 09:51 PM
#2
Seems they are called the VF system, but i still dont know if there should be a gap?
http://www.federalmogul.com/korihand...section_24.htm
http://www.federalmogul.com/korihand...section_24.htm
30-01-2011, 09:52 PM
#3
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mite not be much help but you can cut them but ive never had to cut a set mate. when you get new rings you shouldnt have to take alot off them.
30-01-2011, 10:01 PM
#4
Cheers for the reply mate, its bugging me because rings 1 and 2 have a perfect gap out the box, the oil scraper rings have a good gap too, its just this expander piece don't know if the ends should butt up or if there should be a gap
After some searching it looks like the ends should butt and force the scraper rings out, its just when i did this it felt like it was forcing the scraper rings out with too much force??
I was flying up until the rings lol, mains are all measured and in, piston clearance is all measured and good, just need to put the rings in and bolt the lot up,
don't know if the ends should butt up or if there should be a gap After some searching it looks like the ends should butt and force the scraper rings out, its just when i did this it felt like it was forcing the scraper rings out with too much force??
I was flying up until the rings lol, mains are all measured and in, piston clearance is all measured and good, just need to put the rings in and bolt the lot up,
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30-01-2011, 10:30 PM
#8
Cheers for the replys lads, just talking about the 3 piece oil control rings, the upper and lower scraper rings have the correct gap, the spring part in the picture doesn't I don't know if I have to cut it to make the gap or if it's the correct length and the ends butt upto each other, if that makes sense? The small amount of info and pics on the net seem to hint at no gap on the spring part, urgggg just don't want to bugger it and strip it back down
I don't know if I have to cut it to make the gap or if it's the correct length and the ends butt upto each other, if that makes sense? The small amount of info and pics on the net seem to hint at no gap on the spring part, urgggg just don't want to bugger it and strip it back down
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 30-01-2011 at 10:46 PM.
31-01-2011, 04:40 PM
#19
LOL, well, piston rings on tonight, final clean and plastigauge. Torque up big ends and mains, fit main seal and oil pump... sump on.
Booked friday and monday off work, so lsd goes in gearbox on friday, MAYBE engine and box in on sat and on the floor by sunday????
Just leaves me to wire every thing up and install the pump/tank properly.
Possibly soon lol, I HOPE.
Was going to PM you anyhow Karl, see how you were doing with the GF's Ka and to ask you if a normal type 3 legged puller will get 5th gear off???
Rob,
Booked friday and monday off work, so lsd goes in gearbox on friday, MAYBE engine and box in on sat and on the floor by sunday????
Just leaves me to wire every thing up and install the pump/tank properly.
Possibly soon lol, I HOPE.
Was going to PM you anyhow Karl, see how you were doing with the GF's Ka and to ask you if a normal type 3 legged puller will get 5th gear off???
Rob,
31-01-2011, 04:59 PM
#20
Sounds good Rob, not long now! 
Ka project is cancelled and up for sale (engine already gone just Ka left), split up with the GF a few weeks back.
No you wont get 5th gear off with any sort of puller other than the proper one unless the box has done 100000000000 miles in which case it might just come off by hand
I have managed it once with heat, big bar, big hammer and a 3 leg puller ground to fit 5th gear but it took hours and destroyed the puller so I bought the proper tool from th USA knowing I would be doing it many more times.
Ka project is cancelled and up for sale (engine already gone just Ka left), split up with the GF a few weeks back.
No you wont get 5th gear off with any sort of puller other than the proper one unless the box has done 100000000000 miles in which case it might just come off by hand
I have managed it once with heat, big bar, big hammer and a 3 leg puller ground to fit 5th gear but it took hours and destroyed the puller so I bought the proper tool from th USA knowing I would be doing it many more times.
31-01-2011, 05:17 PM
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Where did you buy the puller from karlos ? I made myself one before but if the proper ones cheap enough it would be a worthy investment
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31-01-2011, 11:19 PM
#23
Sounds good Rob, not long now!
Ka project is cancelled and up for sale (engine already gone just Ka left), split up with the GF a few weeks back.
No you wont get 5th gear off with any sort of puller other than the proper one unless the box has done 100000000000 miles in which case it might just come off by hand
I have managed it once with heat, big bar, big hammer and a 3 leg puller ground to fit 5th gear but it took hours and destroyed the puller so I bought the proper tool from th USA knowing I would be doing it many more times.
Ka project is cancelled and up for sale (engine already gone just Ka left), split up with the GF a few weeks back.
No you wont get 5th gear off with any sort of puller other than the proper one unless the box has done 100000000000 miles in which case it might just come off by hand
I have managed it once with heat, big bar, big hammer and a 3 leg puller ground to fit 5th gear but it took hours and destroyed the puller so I bought the proper tool from th USA knowing I would be doing it many more times.
Genuinely sorry to hear about that mate,
Bugger about the puller! just bought an expensive hydraulic puller just for that
So i don't really want to grind the jaws lol Oh well, have to see what i can codge together on friday.
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