diamondrst

Who is my best option for a strengthened bottom end rebuild
price wise and quality??

bythomson

prob burton just cause its the only company iknow lol, try local engine builders to you as i know that agra and engine resource , the companies up here are pretty reasonable and helpful and only use components of a good standard otherwise they wont put there name to them

diamondrst

Iv not tried burton iv spoken to jamsport and they want Ł2599 wot sort of price should i be looking at?

creator

try ringing round and discussing with tuners/builders what you want mate.
nms,jamsport,oddkiddcreations ect ect better speaking to them on the phone
for a decent build its not going to be cheap tho.

diamondrst

I just want it to reliable running a t34 looking to get about 260-300 bhp when im finished ill be happy with somthing around that

bythomson

go zvh it'd be easier to get 260,300 and if your spending serious money then why not,
but yeah as creator says ring around and see what others have to offer or even email them and quote what you want to spend and what figure your looking for, try sitech racing they do good zvh's and have a pretty good website

bythomson

get a book on rebuilding and tuning the cvh then a set of tools and crack on yourself its not that hard just need to be precise and keep everything clean, if you do it yourself it keeps costs down aswell and that way you know youve got the personal touch

diamondrst

Iv spoken to sitech and they want to much for a zvh conversion i would rather keep it cvh coz i want it original how hard is it to do i dnt mind giving it ago iv never done somthing that big iv rebuilt my head a few times dats the most iv done really i would go zvh but it looks complicated wots involved

bythomson

just stick cvh then if thats what your after... im sticking cvh too, check burton for prices, dont think youll need a steel crank but upgraded pistons, rods, rings, new big end s and mains , should make it more reliable, and withstand the extra boost from a t34, im no expert but thats what i would do anyway should cut costs in half mcompared to the 2600 you were quoted, what was offered for that sorta money anyway

diamondrst

For a bottom end build with h section rods and forged pistons is Ł2599 that
would be with the following:

Remove and refit engine
Strip block
Crank grind
Uprated bearings (big end and main)
Thrust washers
New oil pump
New sump
Rebore block
Oversize pistons
H beam rods
New water pump
ARP rod bolts
New cambelt
Oil and filter change
New BCR8ES spark plugs
Coolant
Labour to rebuild and refit to car

diamondrst

Can i do it myself by following the book u mentioned wot sort of work couldnt i do myself which needs doing
burtons want Ł1850

jonny s2

iTrader: (12)

if your not too sure on what your doing, i would pay a specialist. it will cost you even more if you mess it up

diamondrst

Yh i was thinking that id rather get it done properly and jus pay the money just not sure wot company to get it done by burtons or oddkidd both want the same sort of money

jonny s2

iTrader: (12)

is that for an all steel bottom end?? what type of money you got??

diamondrst

I dnt really wanna spend more then 2000 on a bottom end and yh all steel exept the crank

milesy23rst

iTrader: (16)

Personally if jano and burton power want the same sort of money i would go to jano, i wouldn't touch burton power full stop. Oddkid creations (jano) knows what he is doing with cvh's, as do nms, jamsport.

diamondrst

Jamsport are far too expensive wots wrong with burton?? I was thinking more oddkidds way because of some of the cars iv seen of his

s1cab

iTrader: (1)

id go with jano ! he's well priced with all his work.

milesy23rst

iTrader: (16)

Rude, arrogant, but that is just my opinion i would go for someone who regulary works and builds cvh turbo's

diamondrst

Yh i see where u coming from with rude and arrogant mate is jano's work gd tho iv seen som1 on here complain about his wrk but other people swear by him

muz

Give Jano a ring mate. 07984071567

homer j

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Jano's not only a top bloke but doesn't bullshit you. his prices are very fair and you always get top service. he's been looking after my RST now for around three years and has never ever tried to tell me i need something when i don't. his cars also speak for themselves. his black xr3 says it all, fast in a straight line, round the corners, it looks awesome and it's reliable. honestly mate give him a bell, he doesn't charge for advice mate. he's helped me out many times before over the phone.

regards

Tom

diamondrst

Cheers ill give him a bell thanks for all your help

creator

did you give jano a bell mate?

diamondrst

Yh spoke to him mate really gd help going to get some money together he said in between 1500-2000 which sounded fair compared to jamsport who quoted 2599 wot other mods will i need to reach to get 260-300bhp and i was thinkin of goin cossie management any ideas???

creator

what did he quote you for that money mate? forged rods and pistons and engine built up? for that sort off bhp you will need a managment system clutch and gearbox upgrades also mate.

diamondrst

Yh rods pistons arp bolts crank grind/polish and engine built up wot sort managment and gearbox would u recommend wot do u think of the price he has given

creator

the price sounds good mate.you can either get a cts box wich are pricy and can break and do brake or the other alternative wich is far better is an mtx gearbox conversion wich are alot better.managment there are loads out there mate and if you talk to jano again about this his weber (cossie) managment conversion are cheaper than anywhere else i can think of.but there is lots of good managment out there to choose from

mattman1234

i agree that sounds a good price,especially if taking engine out to

jonny s2

iTrader: (12)

price seems very good!
i mean you are getting a fully forged bottom end, so you cant complain really. he seems a good guy too

diamondrst

Is the mtx off the st170??? And dont u have cut out the wing or something and i spoke to him about the management and the cossie management is 1600 supplied not fitted whats involved in fitting cossie management????

muz

I think Jano charges about Ł450 to fit cossie managment, drive in drive out same day. Janos a top bloke, won't rip you off, won't bullshit you and he offers great aftersales service. I've phoned him many many times at 10pm on a Sunday night and he's always picked up the phone and talked me through things. And even though it was cossie managment I didn't even buy it from him and he STILL helped me.

diamondrst

Yh he was helpful on the phone today he knew exactly wot he was on about nice fella, was it hard to fit he said i would be able to do it wots cossie management like is it gd because i dont wana waste my money if it isnt lol

jonny s2

iTrader: (12)

as said before mate you wont go far wrong with jano,st170 box is getrag mate.cossie management is good and reliable

diamondrst

How hard is cossie management to fit i.e wots involved

jonny s2

iTrader: (12)

go have a look on oddkidd creations site, it will give you more of an idea

homer j

iTrader: (1)

as above mate. on the oddkidd forum there are endless threads about how to fit cossie management to a cvh or zetec or anything to be honest. it's not too hard if you're handy with spanners and wire crimpers and even if you're not that good it can still be done. the key is to find a good loom which isn't always as easy as it sounds. i bought a complete custom made one from jano so i know it'll work. as with any job on these cars mate it's all about taking time and being methodical, making sure everything is done right the first time. give it a go i say. you'll save some cash and it'll be more satisfying knowing you did it yourself, not to mention you'll learn alot about the car in the progress.

regards

Tom

homer j

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diamondrst

I was thinkin of getting the parts from jano and giving it ago iv been reading alot about it and it sounds like its well worth the money and i shouldnt be disappointed. Tom wot is it like on your car if u had to do it again would u or not did u get a power increase.

rs combi

if you get the loom off jano then its 4 wires to conect to be fair you have to move all the old loom out the way un less you have a non injection loom that is
swap the inlet manifold /alternator over and fit the trigger wheels (basicly doing a cam belt change) there is a few other bits to do but i recon a weekend tops to get it fitted if you know one end of a spanner from another