engine rebuild questions
08-01-2005, 04:53 PM
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engine rebuild questions
can any one tell me a typical price to rebuild a escort S1 engine,
been told today 2 grand to drop my car of, pick it up 3 weeks
later with a rebuilt engine,
can some one let me know what they paid and to what spec,
my friend whos a mechanic said he would do it,
i.e fit new pistons etc for me in my garage at home, i know
he can do it cause he is currently doing one. i just would not have receipt
to prove a rebuild
ta
been told today 2 grand to drop my car of, pick it up 3 weeks
later with a rebuilt engine,
can some one let me know what they paid and to what spec,
my friend whos a mechanic said he would do it,
i.e fit new pistons etc for me in my garage at home, i know
he can do it cause he is currently doing one. i just would not have receipt
to prove a rebuild
ta
08-01-2005, 06:30 PM
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thought about it, cant see any one believing me about it having one though if
ive no receipts (for when i come to sell it) , i suppose i can show them receipts
for engine parts, but not only that, it will take me longer than what i want the car to be of the road for
ive no receipts (for when i come to sell it) , i suppose i can show them receipts
for engine parts, but not only that, it will take me longer than what i want the car to be of the road for
08-01-2005, 06:38 PM
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my engine rebuild cost Ł1200 inc oversized low comp mahle pistons, heavy duty bearings, balanced crankshaft and a kent cvh35 cam.. + a few more bits but I'll have to dig the receipt out that was about 5 yrs ago though
Ł2000 doesnt sound overpriced tbh who gave you the quote?
Matt
Ł2000 doesnt sound overpriced tbh who gave you the quote?
Matt
08-01-2005, 07:11 PM
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Mine was in excess of Ł4500 but I did have something a little special built!
That was just a built unit and not installed into the car.
2k to remove, rebuild and refit should be about right if it is done properly and corners are not cut.
That was just a built unit and not installed into the car.
2k to remove, rebuild and refit should be about right if it is done properly and corners are not cut.
08-01-2005, 11:38 PM
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the quote was from MSD in blackpool, i aint entirely sure what to do,
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
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Try and get a hold of most of the parts yourself - you'd be surprised how much that will take off your final bill as you will only be paying for labour. Garage i was going to use were going to buy a new set of pistons for mine for Ł400 - I got a brand new set on ebay for Ł150. Ł250 already saved on just one item.
You should be able to pick up some good deals, especially at this time of year.
Pistons:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=4516620945
You should be able to pick up some good deals, especially at this time of year.
Pistons:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=4516620945
09-01-2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by series1ajc
the quote was from MSD in blackpool, i aint entirely sure what to do,
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
Your other option is to ask Richard with the 2wd Cossie if he will build it for you....
09-01-2005, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DazC
Originally Posted by series1ajc
the quote was from MSD in blackpool, i aint entirely sure what to do,
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
thinking of takin engine out my self in a couple of weeks and giving it to a
local rebuilder with a very good reputation. i was just goin to replace pistons, i dont know about any thing else
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
Your other option is to ask Richard with the 2wd Cossie if he will build it for you....
09-01-2005, 04:20 PM
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that went a bit wrong,
heres what i meant to put,
that sounds like a bit of a better idea, make job cheaper too, would
MSD not mind if i bought those pistons of ebay that smiggy has
put a link up for, save some money, or would they rather they sorted out that side
of things,
thank you
heres what i meant to put,
that sounds like a bit of a better idea, make job cheaper too, would
MSD not mind if i bought those pistons of ebay that smiggy has
put a link up for, save some money, or would they rather they sorted out that side
of things,
thank you
09-01-2005, 06:02 PM
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your the paying customer you tell them what to do! if they want ya money they will do as you ask! BUT the will addvise you on the BEST corse of action! and of corse it pays to listen! but i mean even MSN ie. stu will know where ya coming from if you can save Ł250 on the rebuild price!! just you wont have nothing to say if the pistons go wrong!
Best thing to do is ask! they cant tell you what to do! but will give you addvice!
Best thing to do is ask! they cant tell you what to do! but will give you addvice!
09-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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My rebuild cost was 450 for pistons and rebore 120 for the crank grind supplied with shells, they put the pistons in the block i put the crank back in and built it up as said earlier its a straight forward engine if you have a haynes manual. Not a mechanic by trade just for fun.
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09-01-2005, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by series1ajc
that went a bit wrong,
heres what i meant to put,
that sounds like a bit of a better idea, make job cheaper too, would
MSD not mind if i bought those pistons of ebay that smiggy has
put a link up for, save some money, or would they rather they sorted out that side
of things,
thank you
heres what i meant to put,
that sounds like a bit of a better idea, make job cheaper too, would
MSD not mind if i bought those pistons of ebay that smiggy has
put a link up for, save some money, or would they rather they sorted out that side
of things,
thank you
Pistons are not that expensive anyway unless you want forged ones.....
17-01-2005, 09:01 AM
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Its interesting how a couple of peeps on here reckon a "Rebuilt" motor just consists of some pistons and shells 
Top of my head, CVH build to STD spec:
Machine work usually required:
Rebore existing block
Bore Honing (cross hatch)
Crank grind / polish
Dynamic Balancing
Decompress pistons
Surface Grind Flywheel
New partsalways fitted
Mahle Pistons and rings.
Performance full cam kit.
Crank & big end bearings.
Thrust washers. (U&L)
Oil Pump.
Water pump.
ARP Big end bolts.
Genuine Gaskets and seals.
Genuine Head Bolts.
Cambelt. (Gates OE).
Cambelt tensioner.
Thermostat and seal.
Dash temp gauge sender
Ford 071 plugs
8 new rocker locknuts
Block to turbo oil pipe
Mineral Oil and OE filter
Labour on top as i have a family to feed the same as you folks
You do, as Daz kindly points out, get a CD with lots of pictures of your engine build in various stages of strip and build.
On top of that lot, which pans out around Ł2200 all in... you may have to have:
Full Cylinder head overhaul:
Pressure test
8 Valve guides
8 valve seats
8 valves re-cut to seats
Surface skim
Block Reface.
Head reface.
Optional upgrades:
Stage 3 cylinder head
Duralloy vernier timing pulley
Cosworth forged pistons.
Steel H section Connecting rods.
Steel crank.
Alcon 6 paddle clutch.
The list goes on depending on what you want to do and achieve, but the point im making is when someone offers to whip teh sump off on your drive and bang some new shells in, a "Rebuilt" motor is NOT what you have
Top of my head, CVH build to STD spec:
Machine work usually required:
Rebore existing block
Bore Honing (cross hatch)
Crank grind / polish
Dynamic Balancing
Decompress pistons
Surface Grind Flywheel
New partsalways fitted
Mahle Pistons and rings.
Performance full cam kit.
Crank & big end bearings.
Thrust washers. (U&L)
Oil Pump.
Water pump.
ARP Big end bolts.
Genuine Gaskets and seals.
Genuine Head Bolts.
Cambelt. (Gates OE).
Cambelt tensioner.
Thermostat and seal.
Dash temp gauge sender
Ford 071 plugs
8 new rocker locknuts
Block to turbo oil pipe
Mineral Oil and OE filter
Labour on top as i have a family to feed the same as you folks
You do, as Daz kindly points out, get a CD with lots of pictures of your engine build in various stages of strip and build.
On top of that lot, which pans out around Ł2200 all in... you may have to have:
Full Cylinder head overhaul:
Pressure test
8 Valve guides
8 valve seats
8 valves re-cut to seats
Surface skim
Block Reface.
Head reface.
Optional upgrades:
Stage 3 cylinder head
Duralloy vernier timing pulley
Cosworth forged pistons.
Steel H section Connecting rods.
Steel crank.
Alcon 6 paddle clutch.
The list goes on depending on what you want to do and achieve, but the point im making is when someone offers to whip teh sump off on your drive and bang some new shells in, a "Rebuilt" motor is NOT what you have
makes good reading!
17-01-2005, 09:07 AM
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Daz,
Normally if a customer supplies his own engine parts i wont warranty the engine at all as a failure can wreck other parts that i DID supply, leading to problems.
I made an exception in your case as the parts used were of a higher than normal std and im willing to take the risk based on that, but i wont normally.
Hope this helps.
James,
NO
Normally if a customer supplies his own engine parts i wont warranty the engine at all as a failure can wreck other parts that i DID supply, leading to problems.
I made an exception in your case as the parts used were of a higher than normal std and im willing to take the risk based on that, but i wont normally.
Hope this helps.
James,
NO
17-01-2005, 06:16 PM
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BOOKED MINE IN AT MSD, TAKIN IT DOWN THIS SATURDAY,
GETTING PADDLE CLUTCH AT SAME TIME AS WELL AS TURBO,
INTERCOOLER AND FULL NEW SET OF SAMCOS, POWDER COATING
AND SOME NEW SHINEY STUFF, GOING TO UNDER SEAL THE
CAR WHILST ITS UP IN THE AIR TOO.
GETTING PADDLE CLUTCH AT SAME TIME AS WELL AS TURBO,
INTERCOOLER AND FULL NEW SET OF SAMCOS, POWDER COATING
AND SOME NEW SHINEY STUFF, GOING TO UNDER SEAL THE
CAR WHILST ITS UP IN THE AIR TOO.
17-01-2005, 07:54 PM
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Well stu you dont hang about do ya!!
let me guess! grs cooler!
ap clutch!
pink powder coated rocker cover!
only joking!
Im 100% sure you will be well impressed!
Now do i get that discount!
let me guess! grs cooler!
ap clutch!
pink powder coated rocker cover! only joking!
Im 100% sure you will be well impressed!
Now do i get that discount!
17-01-2005, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by series1ajc
BOOKED MINE IN AT MSD, TAKIN IT DOWN THIS SATURDAY,
GETTING PADDLE CLUTCH AT SAME TIME AS WELL AS TURBO,
INTERCOOLER AND FULL NEW SET OF SAMCOS, POWDER COATING
AND SOME NEW SHINEY STUFF, GOING TO UNDER SEAL THE
CAR WHILST ITS UP IN THE AIR TOO.
GETTING PADDLE CLUTCH AT SAME TIME AS WELL AS TURBO,
INTERCOOLER AND FULL NEW SET OF SAMCOS, POWDER COATING
AND SOME NEW SHINEY STUFF, GOING TO UNDER SEAL THE
CAR WHILST ITS UP IN THE AIR TOO.
17-01-2005, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Daz,
Normally if a customer supplies his own engine parts i wont warranty the engine at all as a failure can wreck other parts that i DID supply, leading to problems.
I made an exception in your case as the parts used were of a higher than normal std and im willing to take the risk based on that, but i wont normally.
Normally if a customer supplies his own engine parts i wont warranty the engine at all as a failure can wreck other parts that i DID supply, leading to problems.
I made an exception in your case as the parts used were of a higher than normal std and im willing to take the risk based on that, but i wont normally.
I understand TOTALLY where you are coming from though. I actually meant that I don't think you would have a prblem fitting the parts but didn't think you would warranty it.
I need to have a chat with you this week end about my loom and options before e-mailing my requirements back to Pi Research.
17-01-2005, 09:20 PM
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any recommendations on a turbo to purchase?
i was thinking of getting the pace intercooler,
and the powder coating aint PINK,
going for samco blue i think but i have seen some ones
with an RS badge on them which i quite like but dont know
where to get them from
i was thinking of getting the pace intercooler,
and the powder coating aint PINK,
going for samco blue i think but i have seen some ones
with an RS badge on them which i quite like but dont know
where to get them from
17-01-2005, 09:50 PM
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Not sure on the turbo. I am currently using a totally standard unit rebuilt at Turboforce in Bamber Bridge at 14 psi and it's stood upt to 3800k and 1800k of abuse so far.
They can also build a hybrid as they offered to do mine but I declined as I want to go a different route. Depends how far you want to go...
As for the Pace, I am not sure. If any, the only one of the Pace shite to go for is the full frontal set up as I have heard that these actually perform reasonably well.
I personally run a GRS full frontal twin pass but am unsure if I will be sticking with it at the moment.
Hoses again unsure. Mine were made by Roose Motorsport in plain but shiny black.
They can also build a hybrid as they offered to do mine but I declined as I want to go a different route. Depends how far you want to go...
As for the Pace, I am not sure. If any, the only one of the Pace shite to go for is the full frontal set up as I have heard that these actually perform reasonably well.
I personally run a GRS full frontal twin pass but am unsure if I will be sticking with it at the moment.
Hoses again unsure. Mine were made by Roose Motorsport in plain but shiny black.
17-01-2005, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by series1ajc
any recommendations on a turbo to purchase?
i was thinking of getting the pace intercooler,
and the powder coating aint PINK,
going for samco blue i think but i have seen some ones
with an RS badge on them which i quite like but dont know
where to get them from
i was thinking of getting the pace intercooler,
and the powder coating aint PINK,
going for samco blue i think but i have seen some ones
with an RS badge on them which i quite like but dont know
where to get them from
Hoses! auto specialists (sp)...
and go on! you know you want a pink rocker cover!
19-01-2005, 02:20 PM
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Turbocharger options depend heavily on final power output required by you. Consider this very carefully as your engines:
Bearing clearances.
Bore Clearances.
Compression Ratio.
Ring pack Gap.
Camshaft Kit.
& Turbo charger.
Will all be specced to ultimately suit this end result. Try to get it right NOW rather than compromise later.
As for powder coating, maybe Ask Daz where he got his done as i think it was pretty good quality and a decent colour too
Bearing clearances.
Bore Clearances.
Compression Ratio.
Ring pack Gap.
Camshaft Kit.
& Turbo charger.
Will all be specced to ultimately suit this end result. Try to get it right NOW rather than compromise later.
As for powder coating, maybe Ask Daz where he got his done as i think it was pretty good quality and a decent colour too
20-01-2005, 10:34 AM
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Stu when you build a new engine an fit a high lift cam, (dunno how to word this) do you just fire the new engine up and straight away rev it to 2000rpm for 20mins?!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
20-01-2005, 10:40 AM
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JesseT,
That's a strange looking S1 water pump. Where is it from and is it with a cast impeller?
That's a strange looking S1 water pump. Where is it from and is it with a cast impeller?
adamS2RST,
So they are not low compression then?
So they are not low compression then?
james_birch,
Stu when you build a new engine an fit a high lift cam, (dunno how to word this) do you just fire the new engine up and straight away rev it to 2000rpm for 20mins?!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
Stu when you build a new engine an fit a high lift cam, (dunno how to word this) do you just fire the new engine up and straight away rev it to 2000rpm for 20mins?!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
Yes, as soon as the engines fired up the engine is taken to and held at 2500 rpm.
Believe it or not, this is easier on the engine than idle speed. Idle is quite a stressfull area for an engine to run at as the valve train acceleration is very low and oil pressure is at its lowest.
Hope this helps.
20-01-2005, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
james_birch,
Stu when you build a new engine an fit a high lift cam, (dunno how to word this) do you just fire the new engine up and straight away rev it to 2000rpm for 20mins?!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
Stu when you build a new engine an fit a high lift cam, (dunno how to word this) do you just fire the new engine up and straight away rev it to 2000rpm for 20mins?!
Or is there another way?!
only a genral intrest question!!
Yes, as soon as the engines fired up the engine is taken to and held at 2500 rpm.
Believe it or not, this is easier on the engine than idle speed. Idle is quite a stressfull area for an engine to run at as the valve train acceleration is very low and oil pressure is at its lowest.
Hope this helps.
I am looking into gettin a rebuild myself soon! (just got some bills to pay
) only thing is people quote prices but only one place i seen so far quotes a drive in drive out price which to be honest i think everyone wants! just no one quotes them prices! understandably full engine rebuilds are a very intermite thing and prices all depend on what the customer wants power wise and part wise!
But having a guide price (i think most will agree) of just a basic rebuild would be nice!
20-01-2005, 07:04 PM
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james_birch,
only thing is people quote prices but only one place i seen so far quotes a drive in drive out price which to be honest i think everyone wants! just no one quotes them prices! understandably full engine rebuilds are a very intermite thing and prices all depend on what the customer wants power wise and part wise!
But having a guide price (i think most will agree) of just a basic rebuild would be nice!
only thing is people quote prices but only one place i seen so far quotes a drive in drive out price which to be honest i think everyone wants! just no one quotes them prices! understandably full engine rebuilds are a very intermite thing and prices all depend on what the customer wants power wise and part wise!
But having a guide price (i think most will agree) of just a basic rebuild would be nice!
21-01-2005, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JesseT
That's a strange looking S1 water pump. Where is it from and is it with a cast impeller?