which newman cam!!
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27-07-2009, 11:03 PM
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Havn't got one (yet) but did ring up and they told me you want the phase 4 and also they said there is no need to run double valve springs!
from what i have read they are not agressive as piper or kent but lot nicer to drive with and lot more reliable.....
ring them up they will tell you what you need for you spec!
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hope this helps
from what i have read they are not agressive as piper or kent but lot nicer to drive with and lot more reliable.....
ring them up they will tell you what you need for you spec!
Telephone: +44 (0)1689-857109
hope this helps
28-07-2009, 02:06 PM
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29-07-2009, 01:24 AM
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how it drives off boost will depend also on your turbo setup,and be aware if you have solid lifters it will sound tappety as fuck like a knackered xr2i etc tap tap taptaptap,constantly,hydraulic has been around for years and developed alot of tuning so im getting a kent cvh34 cam kit + adjustable pulley for my rst
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29-07-2009, 08:18 AM
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how it drives off boost will depend also on your turbo setup,and be aware if you have solid lifters it will sound tappety as fuck like a knackered xr2i etc tap tap taptaptap,constantly,hydraulic has been around for years and developed alot of tuning so im getting a kent cvh34 cam kit + adjustable pulley for my rst
Yours will definately sound tappety when it runs the cam lobes off, which, being Kent, it 100% definately will.
29-07-2009, 12:11 PM
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I have munched both pipers and Kents! Proper crap! I even munched the Newman hydro lifter cam three times!! Hence why they no longer sell them. Solid lifter Newman is the only way to go or a genuine ford item.
If you choose to stay with the kent cam at least fit a magnetic sump plug as this will help collect all the swarf that will be floating around your engine.
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29-07-2009, 04:51 PM
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why are they so bad then when theyve been around for years?? i asked the question about newman cams on here before and everyone bigged em up,but when i asked carl sorenson who supplies motorsport parts in plymouth and races rallys cars,used to be escos's and he said to use kent or piper as theyre proven.
29-07-2009, 05:27 PM
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Kent and Piper are crap because the lobes wear very very quickly,resulting in a ton of swarf in youre sump and a lovely tappy rattle from youre engine.NMS won't fit them anymore,as its not worth the hassle from customers complaining after 2,000 miles.Regards,Micky
29-07-2009, 06:29 PM
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Had a car in with a newman cam today, with the tappets adjusted properly it sounded better than 90% of rst's that come through the door! As said also, they dont seem to have the wearing issue, tempted to get one for my car just for that fact as it's got a piper in it atm
29-07-2009, 10:00 PM
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how it drives off boost will depend also on your turbo setup,and be aware if you have solid lifters it will sound tappety as fuck like a knackered xr2i etc tap tap taptaptap,constantly,hydraulic has been around for years and developed alot of tuning so im getting a kent cvh34 cam kit + adjustable pulley for my rst
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30-07-2009, 12:45 AM
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cheers 
i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
30-07-2009, 07:02 AM
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i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
Years ago, Kent and Piper were OK. They used to use good quality camshaft blanks and followers because there were a few aftermarket companies manufacturing these parts. These days, most of the companies making parts like this have long since deleted the CVH from their production runs, leaving Kent and Piper with no choice but to use poor quality materials as its pretty much all thats available.
You didn't think they actually made the cam blanks and followers did you? They are NOT made of stronger material.
If you were to use a follower that was of a different material to the camshaft, or vice versa, one would wear the other VERY quickly.
Because Newman go about it in an entirely different way, they use Chill-cast camshaft blanks and a follower made by them from a material that matches, this is why it stands a chance of lasting. It's not 100%, but its the best solution out there.
Even Ford. News flash here too, they don't make their parts! Wow, how about that!!
Ford parts are outsourced and thats why I don't even trust their camshafts/followers any more.Take the head gaskets and sump gaskets. Payen used to make them and they were ace quality. However, in recent years, althought they still use Payen to make the head gaskets, they use someone else for the sump gaskets and they are CRAP. So, don't even assume that because its Ford, it will be better.
Some of us have been doing this for years.
Nobody is arguing that Kent and Piper don't have some great profiles, but if the material is like toffee, it's not going to work, is it?
30-07-2009, 10:33 AM
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cheers
i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
i dont understand how a cam made of stronger material that costs 3x more than the standard one can be worse?and rs turbos have been running kent/piper cams since near enough when the cars came out without loads of people slating them.newman have been a big thing for a few years now,are they just the new craze possibly??
if you got your cam with uprated valve springs,had the timing set properly,and actually ran it in properly,surely it would be good.
from the look of the spec the kent cvh34 does exactly what i want,1500-7000rpm,that combined with the T25BB i want should make for a quick road car, i hope.
).Cause you'll need all the help you can get to keep the lobes on a kent cam.ps Buy one of these too http://www.magneticoildrainplugs.co.uk/
Regards,Micky
30-07-2009, 11:31 AM
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After all, what would you know about CVH cam choice Christain
There no question that the CVH34 cam is a very good profile, as are many of the Kent cams, but the blanks are outsourced from Eastern Europe IIRC and the followers are outsourced form South America IIRC and are cheap, crap, inconsistant material that will rip either itself or the followers to bits and possibly ruin your engine.
Kent and Piper were good in the day, a mate of mine bought a new old stock CVH35k cam and has done 16k in it running about 200BHP and when we removed it as the engine had a knocking noise it looked like new.
There no question that the CVH34 cam is a very good profile, as are many of the Kent cams, but the blanks are outsourced from Eastern Europe IIRC and the followers are outsourced form South America IIRC and are cheap, crap, inconsistant material that will rip either itself or the followers to bits and possibly ruin your engine.
Kent and Piper were good in the day, a mate of mine bought a new old stock CVH35k cam and has done 16k in it running about 200BHP and when we removed it as the engine had a knocking noise it looked like new.
30-07-2009, 12:55 PM
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well i wasnt saying he didnt know about cams people.
i just wanted an explanation of why piper and kent arent as good as the newman cams.and thats what christian has said.
thanks for that
i just wanted an explanation of why piper and kent arent as good as the newman cams.and thats what christian has said.
thanks for that
30-07-2009, 01:42 PM
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Christian, You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink it!
No matter what you SHOW/PROVE to some people, they'll still go and do the exact opposite of what you tell them, cos their mates uncles hamster done it and he said it was ok!
No matter what you SHOW/PROVE to some people, they'll still go and do the exact opposite of what you tell them, cos their mates uncles hamster done it and he said it was ok!
30-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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Very well said David
30-07-2009, 05:21 PM
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how it drives off boost will depend also on your turbo setup,and be aware if you have solid lifters it will sound tappety as fuck like a knackered xr2i etc tap tap taptaptap,constantly,hydraulic has been around for years and developed alot of tuning so im getting a kent cvh34 cam kit + adjustable pulley for my rst
30-07-2009, 07:37 PM
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i've had various kent and piper cams, fom mild N/A cvh22, to piper 285T2 etc.
all have had a life less than 20k, the piper285T2 only lasting 2k.
all been run in properly with 2.5k revs, oil changes etc.
very disappointed in them all to be honest, an aftermarket standard replacement with stronger valve springs has been the best thing i've used so far, granted power is down, but not a sign of wear after 6k so far.
although Newman will be the next move once i get my efi running right after the rebuild.
heard good things about their phase 4 cam in answer to the question.
all have had a life less than 20k, the piper285T2 only lasting 2k.
all been run in properly with 2.5k revs, oil changes etc.
very disappointed in them all to be honest, an aftermarket standard replacement with stronger valve springs has been the best thing i've used so far, granted power is down, but not a sign of wear after 6k so far.
although Newman will be the next move once i get my efi running right after the rebuild.
heard good things about their phase 4 cam in answer to the question.
01-08-2009, 12:18 AM
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sorry didnt know it was common knowledge that kent/piper use shit materials these days.
didnt mean for it to get all
i just wanted to know why 2 of the biggest named brands are now shit.
didnt mean for it to get all
i just wanted to know why 2 of the biggest named brands are now shit.
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oh yea and all you people wanting a phase 4 newman check the website it says you will notice a significant drop in low end power below 3500rpm.
and to everyone that said newman cams with solid lifters arent loud and tappety.read the newman website as they tell you the cam will be noisier than standard on tickover.
hope this helps
and to everyone that said newman cams with solid lifters arent loud and tappety.read the newman website as they tell you the cam will be noisier than standard on tickover.
hope this helps
02-08-2009, 11:08 PM
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oh yea and all you people wanting a phase 4 newman check the website it says you will notice a significant drop in low end power below 3500rpm.
and to everyone that said newman cams with solid lifters arent loud and tappety.read the newman website as they tell you the cam will be noisier than standard on tickover.
hope this helps
and to everyone that said newman cams with solid lifters arent loud and tappety.read the newman website as they tell you the cam will be noisier than standard on tickover.
hope this helps
Mine wasnt loud and tappety
Have you any experience in Newman cams or are you just spouting shit on here about them
03-08-2009, 12:04 AM
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T28RST : M8 I USUALLY 100% AGREE ON YOUR POSTS MATE BUT
with this one,i am not spouting shit about newman,i am just informing people of what newman inform you on there website,to try and put a stop to all the arguing in the above thread.
heres the site link:
http://www.newman-cams.com/pdf/camshaftselection.pdf
read that and it will prove the above said by me
with this one,i am not spouting shit about newman,i am just informing people of what newman inform you on there website,to try and put a stop to all the arguing in the above thread.
heres the site link:
http://www.newman-cams.com/pdf/camshaftselection.pdf
read that and it will prove the above said by me
03-08-2009, 01:19 PM
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03-08-2009, 02:03 PM
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T28RST : M8 I USUALLY 100% AGREE ON YOUR POSTS MATE BUT
with this one,i am not spouting shit about newman,i am just informing people of what newman inform you on there website,to try and put a stop to all the arguing in the above thread.
heres the site link:
http://www.newman-cams.com/pdf/camshaftselection.pdf
read that and it will prove the above said by me
with this one,i am not spouting shit about newman,i am just informing people of what newman inform you on there website,to try and put a stop to all the arguing in the above thread.
heres the site link:
http://www.newman-cams.com/pdf/camshaftselection.pdf
read that and it will prove the above said by me
They have to put that it might be louder to stop the moaning from those that can't bo bothered to keep the clearances adjusted properly.
Trust me, with 500 miles on each, the Newman will be as quiet, as long as its properly adjusted.
So stop chatting shit if you're in the PF chat shit erradication group or whatever it is.
03-08-2009, 02:06 PM
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Christain you drove past me to get into the concourse area and parked up 6 foot from where I was standing and the only thing I could hear was the rumble from the exhaust!