C14KEE

The cars going in the garage this week cos somethings popped on the brakes

can anyone provide me with a set of instructions that i can give to an experienced mechanic for him to remove my ABS system?
and any materials i need to provide for the job?

Cheers

C14KEE

P.s. to anyone answering this, if it turns out my master cylinder has gone, is there any other choice in replacinng it i.e. performance master cylinder made by one of the big brands in the brake business??

Rallyesport

First you remove the modulators then you make new copper brake pipes from the master cylinder to each t-connection on the inner wings. Use a non-abs resevoir. If you just want to disable the ABS, remove the modulator belts.

C14KEE

so i just get under the car, take off the belts and no abs? with no problems? sounds too good to be true!

LEE-RS

go here click on escort s2 / abs removal

http://www.rsbible.co.uk/

heres a diagram the red pipes are your new pipes you need to join up after you have removed it

Rallyesport

Simple as that. But to improve braking and pedal feel you should remove the modulators and extra piping and brake lines.

C14KEE

is it easier than it looks??? cheers for the link LEE RS

SafeChav

LEE-RS: you just had to go and make it soooooooo simple didnt you

Theres no fun in that

C14KEE

haha shut it safechav u tryin to make it difficult for me!!??

showed my mechanic the drawing he said no problem

cheers LEE

Johnny Knoxville

As for the master cylinder upgrade i have a Mk5 Fiesta one fitted to mine with the ABS removed even the modulators and extra piping.

Well worth it there's onltya few people i know of with the Fiesta master cylinder, i don't know much about the conversion as company called ALD did it for me.

SafeChav

Fiesta one??? They're pea shooters, smaller than a XR3i one let alone RS?

Johnny Knoxville

A lot better feel

zvhturbo on here has done the conversion and he can also tell you what its like. I've been told that fitting a bigger master cylinder is not alway best.

SafeChav

Hmmmm, well ive got to put a bigger one on mine cos theres too much travel now with the uprated brakes.

If you have any more info on that fiesta MS mod i'd be interested to see that

Rallyesport

Which car has bigger than 25mm or 1"? The biggest dual output Wilwood has is 1".

SafeChav

Bigger what master cylinder?

Versus_Creations

iTrader: (1)

The above is not the best way to remove ABS.

The best setup is by getting rid of the compensators at the back and replacing with bolt on type to the inner wing. (RS16i) Is the best type.

Regards

C14KEE

"This compromised of nothing more than getting a few parts from another Escort(XR3i). I used, master cylinder reservoir, compensators, and the front pipework." - RSBIBLE.co.uk

ive just ordered a new Non ABS Master cylinder cos mines fucked, and ive ordered the reserviour from fords, what the hell are compensators?? my mechanic has said he will make the piping up himself.

C14KEE

and ive just been to fords now and the guys shown me on the computer that on mk 4 escorts its either ABS or no ABS.
He said XR3is have ABS
Correct or incorrect??

Secondly i have a non ABS Master cylinder coming this afternoon for a mk4 escort from Autoparts, could be any mk4 escort.....is this going to be good enough to run my brakes on the RS?????

SafeChav

Right, MK4's came in both ABD and NON, it was a optional extra.

The master cylinder you are best buying is the S2 NON ABS item. S2's have the biggest ones. With a NON ABS one u can simply get the brake lines off any NON ABS MK4 if you want to.

The compensators reduce the braking load to the back wheels for safety, ABS cars have "load aportioning" compensators, they are linked to suspension and vary depending on what the car is doing. NON ABD cars have fixed rate compensators under the bonnet

C14KEE

well safechav i now have in my possession a master cylinder that is apparently off a non abs turbo

the only difference to the one thats on there is an extra nipple at the end furthest from the servo, have pics but photoshop is down for maintenance.

sorry about this link coming back up but i need to know, as the pic above off LEE RS shows no link to a modulator when running the new pipes (in red).

C14KEE

basically can it run with no modulator!!

C14KEE

forget the word modulator - i meant compensator!

if i run the pipes as the diagram says it that ok??? (because the compensators are at the back)

C14KEE

will it matter if i have ABS compensators at the back but no ABS on the front?

SafeChav

Easy calm down

The way Lee has shown it runs the rear compensators, but they are wank, and a common MOT failure aswell.

Have you got a picture of your new master cylinder? It should have an extra 2 outlets on it Also what number has it got stamped on the side. Should be 25, if its 23 or 22 you've been skanked

C14KEE

Its got d 4 22 on the side - nightmare?

got a reciept so i can change it no problem.

C14KEE

SafeChav

The yellow circles and arrows indicate the 4 outlets.

The red circle is where the size stamping is on the opposite side. Although it doesn't look like an original master cylinder, looks like a Lucas one.

Can you see the size?

C14KEE

the one thats on there now is a ford original, its got a nice big 25 on the side.....the one ive bought is from PartCo, Ł40. Its got a small 62.1 on one side of it and d 4 22 on the other side.

heres the one on there now

LEE-RS

i just did the above and used the xr3i reservoir


like my new sig by the way

C14KEE

nice LEE maybe i should join too after all this

u got any ideas if ive bought a dodgy master cylinder?

C14KEE

by the way LEE whats the difference between a non ABS reservoir and the ABS reservoir? (reserviour meaning the piece of plastic)

LEE-RS

just keep your original master cylinder change the reservoir to a xr3i non abs one as it as not got the 2 outlets then the two conections on your master cylinder the back one goes to the left hand side and the front one to the right hand side job done look at the pic again

SafeChav

Mate, that 22 on the one side sounds a bit unhopeful.......

Best way, measure the diameter of the open end as thats the cylinder size. I thought it looked small........

Lee.............that siggy..............CHORED!!!!!!!!!!!

SafeChav

Are you sure you MS has gone, they're really reliable on these cars. One other thing aswell..........change that fucking brake servo its shagged!!!!!

I bet you a jam tart a new servo will make the brakes LOADS better aswell as how the engine idles.................

LEE-RS

i was just gonna say do you want the sig safe chav dont even know your name lol


didnt know your master cylinder was fooked thought you was just changing it to get rid of your abs lol

SafeChav

Ooooo yes please Lee that would be super.

Yahhhhhhhhhh too late mate its been CHOREDDDDDDDD

Oh and the names Andy

C14KEE

AHHH i think i get you now LEEE

if i have the single 'input' reservoir, i can just keep the plug over the second hole that the other reserviour would have been in and job done?

C14KEE

will a little plastic plug really keep the pressure in the system!???

SafeChav

Not inputs????

Outputs

Your master cylinder has 2 outputs, they run to opposite sides of the inner wings, anr are both split to make 4 pipes, one for each wheel.

So, you can either do as Lee's very pretty makes it easy type of thing diagram says, and bypass the ABS modulators (simpler option)

OR

Get a NON ABS master cylinder with 4 outputs, and either re-pipe the car with copper or original NO ABS pipes and at the same time remove the rear adjusting compensators for fixed rate ones (the BETTER option)

SafeChav

No.....i think you are misunderstanding us.

Hopefully my post above this one is clear enough to understand