Kelv

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do the escorts have differences in the wiring for the main speedo/rev counter assembly, or is there differences in the models within the actual assembly?

what im curious about is that a set of clocks were removed from my car, they worked faultlesly and perfectly with no blotches etc.
they were then wrapped in bubble wrap and kept safe until handed to a purchaser a littlw while later.

Curious twist is ive just recieved a text today from the guy claiming he wants his money back as they dont light up and the rev counter doesnt work!!


At this point no names mentioned incase there is a difference and to avoid making this a petty post, but in all honesty i know they woked perfect up until the second they were removed from my car so i dont know what to do - i certainly dont want them back if the guy has broken or damaged something while trying to fit them.

any input, opinions or clarification on spec's would be a help as really dont want to come across as a coont to this guy if its genuine, but dont want to be stuck with faulty goods if hes damaged them

Franco

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Sold as seen I'd say, worked perfectly on your car, couldnt of been damaged in the post............. Nothing to say he didnt wire them incorrectly and damaged something, so nows trying it on.

Same as If you sold them on ebay mate!

Franco

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Ps does he have a Msd board fitted for dizzyless ignition.

As that would be to blame for the counter not working

Kelv

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Jase, i have no idea if he has a MSD board etc.

but no post issues as they were put on my passenger seat and driven up the country and basically handed to him!

Franco

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Hmmm, sold as seen in my eyes!!

picky775

Tell him to feck off or ill give you a tenner for them

Rolls

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Ballshit IMO - i got through a set of RS2k clocks for mine to fit (due to the rev-counter issue on coilpacks), and plugged them to to test - all worked fine! Really can't see there being any difference!

THE RADMAN

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rev counters are diff on small t models,something to do with the coil packs,which models he fitting them too?

Kelv

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Nick, they were removed my car which is a 1993 BT model, i believe his is an M plate ST.

breambagger

im the guy involved i bought these clocks and gauges in good faith i fitted the clocks and they wouldnt light up and the rev counter wasnt working i then contacted the youth [steve] who said try the bannana guages again in the garage with the lights on and see what their like the so called mint gauges are unreadable this blotching accurse over years so i think accussing me of fooking them up is unfair i dont think im being unreasonable asking for my money back

Kelv

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well the banana pod gauges were sold to me as mint from the Diva in the first place so i felt i could trust him as hes a genuine bloke - obviously the gauges arnt mint!

Bream, if you read in my first post - i wasnt pointing out names or saying there was an issue - i wanted to clarify there wasnt differences in the models of the cars before i responded to yourself

ie: as said - didnt want to be a coont to you if there was differences which there clearly is in regards to the rev counter etc, but didnt want to be stiched up with goods that were perfect before i sold them to a complete stranger!

Glenn5

there are differences in dial pods to do with air bags ive tried a couple of sets from small turbo air bag model and they dont light up in my big turbo non air bag model

Kelv

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as you just edited your post - in your text you said to me that the banana gauges were good so whay have you just changed your story?

the main clocks obviously wont work with your coilpacks, no problem there atall, but as for the banana pod gauges, if you read what ive witten above (which you edited your post 5 mins after i submitted that) i bought them from Diva in good faith aswell so i can only apologise there for the state of them.

Kelv

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Nice text there Bream 'I WANT MY MONEY BACK'

is there an issue in giving your money back? as said i the first post, i wanted to claify details before i respnded to you so no issues atall.
but does help if you answer the phone when i call you back 1 minute after youve text me!!!

Franco

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So they're not fucked then, you've just not done your homework! Its blatently obvious BT clocks dont work on coilpack cars, theres enough posts in the forum to prove that!..........

Sorry Kelv, I think you've done nothing wrong and as such he should be selling them on!

breambagger

sorry i wasnt ignoring you i was on the phone talking to the youth [steve] when your call came through and my comments are not meant to be nasty.

Rolls

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This can be solved by simply swapping the backs of the rev-counter over though - half hour job max!

breambagger

will this sort the prob with the blotches on the gauges

Kelv

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Jase - cheers mate

Rolls, so a very easy issue to put right then? (in regards to the main clock assembly!)

just a bit unsure on the banana gauges at the mo, bought from Diva as mint and i have no reason to doubt his word, text then from bream saying the banana gauges are good then pops up on here with.......


Bream, are you implying that i knew they were fooked if they take years to get that bad and ive sold them on to you to try and fook you over?

i saw your old gauges and they were almost the worst ive ever seen, and if Diva claims those gauges are mint then thats ahuge contrast to your above statement.

unless (and im not directly sying you are - its just a possibility) that your trying to give me back yor knackered banana gauges and keep the good ones when ive heard youve got birba gauges to replace your main clocks now!?

breambagger

thats not very fair to sell them on im not that sort of a guy i wouldnt want any body to be as gutted about the deal as me

Kelv

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bream, ive not stitched you up.

as said in the opening post of this thread - i wanted to clarify the facts before i responded to you, and ive tried to call you back but no answer.
as a message ive left for you im heading out now, will call you again tomorrow.

but i see you can reply on here for 30 mins but not answer your phone.

the banana gauges are an error, and i bought them from a respectable user on here in good faith aswell.

as for the main gauges - its purely a difference in our cars that they dont work for yourself so no one has really got to be gutted about any deal so far have they?

and in reality neither of us were aware they woldnt work in your car untill this thread - maybe thats an error on your fault, i had goods for sale and you wanted them so maybe you should have looked into it a bit closer before saying you wanted them!?!?

breambagger

that would be impossible as they were replaced with birba racing faces and to do this opperation you have to peel the old clock faces off to put the new ones on

The Youth.

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just read this post for the first time, Yes dave (breambagger) has been on the phone to me today for advice, Kelv I belive he hadn't fitted the boost gauges till I told him to, as I wanted to make sure they were working ok independently from the main clocks, this did work but only to show that they are in poor condition.
I see 2 issues here
1, the main clocks don't work, one of 2 things the difference between small and big turbo specs or there fooked.
2 the poor condition of the boost gauges.

how to solve this, as suggested the backs of the rev counters could be swapped over ( I can do this dave) this just leaves the electroluminescent lights not working, got to be a simple wiring fault.
as for the poor condition boost gauges well I wouldn't be happy buying something thats supposed to be mint that isn't

kelv talking to dave today (I have never met him btw so are staying impartial) he is gutted about this and hasn't swopped any parts over as he only has birba dials hence wanting propper ones

steve

ps kelv any news on my heatshield? as it hasn't arrived yet

Franco

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It is fair if it does prove to be an issue in the models only! Which would make them not fucked!

Kelv

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i know there not fooked, as for the banana gauges i cant comment as i was ensured that they were mint aswell.
but id have no reason to doubt Diva's word.

Jsut spoke to Bream at last, even tho ive been trying to go out and told him id not be able to answer after 6.30 but yet hes still rang me 11 times in the past 20 mins while i was in the shower

Money will be returned although i feel this is not my issue directly, the main clocks are perfect and when i put something up for sale and someone says they want them then its got to be there perogative to check they are suitable for there aplication before parting with money and buying them.

the banana gauges i apologise for but thats now an issue for me to take up with Diva.

Kelv

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Steve, being that i work away alot and only just picked up the bits while i was home over the past few days it will posted on to you monday morning.

but i thought you were aware of that as you said you wasnt in a major rush and you sent the cheque to me at a hotel!!

sorry for the confusion mate, its on its way

The Youth.

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no probs m8, your right i'm not in a rush,just you said you were posting it a couple of weeks ago,I just thought it had gone missing in the post!
not a problem just didn't want it sat in a lost property office somewhere!

glad you and dave sorted it out.

steve

Bullett

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oh dear,what a mess.tbh on the sideof the dash clocks ie speedo,then fair enough that was daves fault as he shouldve checked bt/st application.on the side of the pod ones,thats a bit of a shit if diva did sell them knowing that but it bloody unlike him if he did.
and kelv has been more than reasonable on this.most people would not have given the cash back or gone halves.but then kelvs one of the decent people on here.

hope its all sorted and clear soon

adamski frst

imo clocks were not researched into enough so no kelvs error, banana pod should prob come to a deal on ? surely they culd be worked with sold on cheaper slight refund?? my suggestion is sell the clocks on ebay and buy some ST ones you will prob make money!!!!

Or buy me a stack dash and you can have my st clocks...

while were on the subject kelv can i have some money???

Adxx

Sticky.

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Kelv....The banana pod gauge was MINT off Diva mate. I saw it a number of times lit up etc & there was nothing wrong with it. You know as well as i do, if it's not MINT or in PERFECT condition he wont have it in his car. So i very much doubt he's sold you a crap part so no need to worry there buddy.

Good luck with the outcome.

Franco

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Still dont see why you have to being honest Kelv..............

Kelv

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Adam, what do you want money for? or what are you trying to sell me now

Sticky - as said i really have no Reason to doubt Diva's word as i feel he is a genuine top bloke - im sure my opinion will be agree'd there by many

Jase - this has pondered my mind most of the day and i do feel im being over generous in saying ill take the goods back when the guy wanted to buy them.

ive not miss-sold goods or tried to fob anyone off with goods disguised as something else.


For those reading this - would i be fair to say id take the gauges back, test them myself in a car that i know has good power supplies and no other hidden electrical gremlins etc
just to prove that im not being out of order selling shonky goods and to see if they do work as good as i believed and to see if the banana pod gauges are working as good as i was led to believe.

Then - if they are faulty ill fully refund the guy his money to the exact penny with a big apology.
but if they are all working perfectly then say im sorry but this is now your issue as you bought them for your car and i cant be held responsible for you not doing your research first.



Bream, if your reading this then dont jump on with silly comments as im only asking for the best route of action to be taken - whatever the situation then myself and yourself will sort this out amicably off the board!



Sound fair people or not!?!?!?

Dave Henshall

cant say fairer than that - oh i just did

Kelv

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Cheers Dave.

the bottom line is i dont want to be out of order to the guy, but i didnt expect after i made a sale to have to then make a refund for goods that i know are working fine.

so in a way, its agree'd that i should test them again myself, and ill provide photo evidence as i have nothing to hide.

so, if i said ill go and pick the clocks up from him tonight, ill test them over the easter weekend when im at home (as im 250 miles from home working away at the mo) and then if they are faulty ill hand him his money next wednesday at the next regional RS meet where we will both be

still sound fair?

obviously this is all in an open public forum so im not trying to run away with the clocks or his money as far to many people on here know me - or where to find me/get hold of me

Bullett

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sounds good to me kelv.very fair imo.as said alot of people wouldve said foff its your problem,deal with it.

bream should agree if he is a decent chappy i'd say

Franco

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Sounds fair IMO also........

Sticky.

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Kelv....quick question?

When did you sell the item & when was it fitted i.e you notifield it didn't work????

Kelv

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items sold to the guy last wednesday at the RS meet.

i awoke yesterday afternoon after a night shift to missed calls and texts from Bream.

Sticky.

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Ah ok....i thought this was something like a couple of weeks but you was told mate.

What you have said above seems fair enough to me.

Bullett

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what was the outcome on this kelv?have you got pics yet?told him to fuck off?or has he decided to swap the clock backs etc?