PauloV8

God damn it, you had to make it hard didn't you???

My guess is that your were talking about the origins of polish and portuguese languages...

Am I near it?

If so, i don't really know what are the origins of portuguese (I don't like it that much, both the country and the language), but I think it derives from latin language...

Azrael

I had to

Quite near. Translation is:

"You really think so? Maybe it's simply because theese are both indoeuropean languages? Or maybe because we have many latin "words" (I used philological term which in some contexts is the same as "word" but I don't know english eequivallent and cannot find it easily) in Polish language and portugese belongs to romanic group of languages? I think it's the reason."

It does, similarities at least in many morphems (speech structures like word minus it's inflectio endings and also in those endings - they are morphems too) can bee still clearly seen. I don't know about grammar structures although I cna ask my friend who studies Portuguese if youw want

THE RADMAN

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is that a language? i thought a drunken spider had crawled across your keyboard,lol, always liked white cossies,reminds me of my first one what sort of money do they go for over there?

PauloV8

It seems you know more about it than I do...

You can ask your friend if he considered dificult to learn portuguese or if because of some similarities with the polish it was a bit easier for him.

I ask this because everyone I talked to who were not portuguese but knew or were learning portuguese said it was a very dificult language to learn...

If it is true or not I don't know but one things for sure: any portuguese person with a bit of interest in foreign languages learns very easily to talk/write them.

Altough I don't consider myself to be dumb, I'm certainly not one of the smartest/more educated people on earth and I can speak easily Spanish French and English, and can understand (but not speak very well) Italian...

Azrael

I know just a small bit about languages

She's she actually

She says it's pretty easy language, a little bit harder then spanish which is considered easiest of them all. She studies multiple philological studies - english, german, portuguese, and she speaks some spanish, learns latin too...

Wre they english?


Well French, Italian and Spanish are the same language group Romanic/Romance Languges so nothing strange. English is pretty easy at interemediate to advanced level for most people and has become so common we all kind of have contact with it automatically

PauloV8

Sorry to have called your friend a he...

Yes, french, spanish and italian I consider easy because of the similarities with portuguese and english is just so universal nowadays that I wouldn't imagine myself NOT speaking it (it also comes in handy if I want to learn about cossies and buy a good one when the time comes ).

Yes many of the people trying to learn portuguese were english folks because there are many here in the south, but there are also many eastern european imigrants coming here since 2 or 3 back and they find hard too.
It's mostly people from Ucraine, Romenia, Moldavia, etc and that I find a bit strange because although their native languages are very diferent a I think their origins are the same. Much like polish, as you told me before, correct me if I'm wrong...

Ps: Cozzfather, sorry to mess up your topic with off-topic stuff. Hope you don't mind...

Best regards...

Azrael

One of weaknesses of english language - no gramatical diffrentiation for sex.

Sometimes similar languages can also be a problem e.g. so called "false friends" words that sound the same but mean something completly different. There is word that means in Polish "to search" in Czech "to fuck" Italian for "a bend" (curva) is "a whore" (kurwa) in Polish


For English folks with their positionised language without inflections and two cases (equivalent to latin Nominativus and Accusativus) it's hard to learn langage with is inflectious language with more complex gramar. I know enlish guy over here, marrier to POlish girl, with child and after many years he still doesn't speak much :-(

OK we've got group of slavic languages, they have ttheir common roots in "Old-Orthodox-Slavic" or whatever it's called in English - langauge still used in Orthodox church's liturgy. Ucrainian, Moldavian, Polish, Czech, Slovakian, Russian, Bielorussian, Serbian they all belong to that group. In that group there are couple of division - firts Southern Slav's languages - all the ones coming from Balcans, then eastern ones - Russian, Ucrainian, Bielorussian they shere alphabet derived form Greek one not Latin one. Then there are western Slavic languages like Polish or Czech. All those languages of this group will share some gramatical and vacabulary similarities, alough thir history is different and external influences were different. We undrstand fair bit of Czech and a lot of Slovakian. Ukrainians understand Polish very well, and so on. But I won't make much of Serbian even though I can read most of it as I learn Russian so I kow the alphabet (there are minor differenced to Russian), even if some word are familiar they don't have to have the same meaning.

Oh and romanian is not of the same group - it's Romanic language like Portuguese or Italian, and they sound very italian and understand fair bit.

I'm sorry too - maybe some mod could cut this out of this thread?

PauloV8

And you were saying you knew a "small bit" about languages. Wonder what it would be like if you knew alot...

Funny your comparison for "a bend" in Italian and Polish. One might get into trouble and not knowing it... By the way, "a bend" in Portuguese is exactly the same as in Italian: "curva", so I guess I have to be careful if I ever go to Poland...

JHS

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Lol
A good Escort is about Ł17-18000. So prices seem pretty similar to UK actually

Azrael

It isn't a very advanced knowledge I think. Well I think my mom who is a mathematician would know that too.


Hopefuly Portguese pronaunciation is a little bit more alien to our ears. Italian pronaunciation sounds almost exactly like ours

cozzfather

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nah don't mind at all Paulo, my grandad came from Poland,its nice hearing from a polish geezer,and a Portugeezer,and a lot of other nationalities,all seeming to be happy and liking cosworths

Mr.Ford

From The Netherlands:

Azrael

Your grandma fallen for handsome polish pilot?


(no offence!)

Fastmaul

I'm also on the Latin front. I'm form Peru and came over to the US with my parents at a young age.
It was the Merkurs that I saw racing on TV that lead me to look further into the vehicle. I then found out about the Cossies and was in lovveeee.

PauloV8

I guess it's a world wide passion...

Cozzfather, glad you don't mind...

Jakub "curva" might be pronounced very similarly then, because we pronounce it exactly like the Italian...

PauloV8

They're a bit less expensive here.
Prices start around 15 000 euro and a minter usually doesn't cost more than 20 000 euro (aprox. 13 500 quid)...
Still if you compare wages here and there it makes them dificult for a portuguese to buy, even if they're cheaper...

Azrael

You can buy one in Poland for 30-40 000PLN which is about 5-6k quid. But there is only one minter I know of....

THE RADMAN

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5-6k you could break it for more than over here,i assume that would be a very rough one to say the least?

Azrael

THE RADMAN well some are worse some are better. I know one that is for sale for maybe 5,5k now and seems at least decent. Big turbo, Wolf covertion and Grp.N drivetrain. Was given as part of the packege when one of rallydrivers bought Grp.N car and recce car from Wolff.

cosworthbg

Hi I'm from Bulgaria and this is my escort on greys and T34

cozzfather

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dont worry Azrael,my granny her sister married a Polish pilot,he flew aircraft over where they stayed during the you know whats,did all that loop the loop stuff flapping the wings etc,no the old man was a armourer,he was so skint,he quickly learned how to make stuff. became very good with ballistics and when he retired from that he worked at Shell stanlow and did all the instrumentation and was top geezer on the technical side of things

cozzfather

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good looking sierra MR Ford,they look like Borbets if i'm not mistaken,i owned a 2wd sierra saphire cosworth{my first one} that colour,it didn't look as good as yours.
Cosworthbg,thats a clean cozzie considering you use it for motorsport,do you rally or somthing else?
i remember merkurs racing on the telly too Fastmaul,that Andy Rouse and Eggenberger,doing the buisness,they didn't have the get up and go that your good ladies one has!!!
have got a good response,thanks but come on Italy Spain and France
have seen good amount of coswoths in Italy.Ford in general are very popular,thanks everyone

PauloV8

Do you reckon Italy's a good country to import one from?
What are the prices for them out there, and are they usually in fairly good condition?

JanDK

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Sorry if I am interrupting... but I have experienced that the It-cossies often are nice rustfree.. But... BUT used, dirty and sunwear. BUT the nice ones... I have seen.. are very NICE. Condition and serviceparts.

Just my experiences

PauloV8

You're not interrupting anything.
For the contrary, thanx for your info...

Fastmaul

Only advantage of being norwegian, having a language that only a few people understand
Only joking, I was just telling Lowman about the car, and that it was imported from Switzerland.
Haha, don't know how I missed this!!
I only want the Comp Mo's since this is an American country I live in with a fetish for Japanese cars it's almost impossible to find any good wheels and in 18x8 is even worse. My wheels were stolen and I loved them so I'm hoping to find another set like them. I also like them better than the new Mo's. That looks like a very nice list of parts!!! can't wait to see it done.


No, but hopefully I can get a friend to help with the shipping so it shouldn't be too much. Just let me know when you're ready (if you are going to) sell them. I wouldn't need tires.

jurk

I live in Slovenia and I drive a lhd cossy, there are 5 of them left in our country

Azrael

jurk I must agree with your sig. "No turbo, no fun.", another good one is "Life starts from 2.2 bar"

jurk

heehehe, teaser

I only have 1.6 bar at the moment, how many HP does your cossy produce? both on wheels and the motor itself? 2.2 bar must boost you up to at least 350 bhp

Azrael

jurk mine is only Stage 1 small turbo. But I work as hmm "parts seaker" for a project Escos made south of Poland that develops over 400

JHS

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I'll let you know what happens...

Fastmaul

Thanks dude!

cozzfather

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yeah and no Paulo,some very good spec Cosworths in Italy,and if you have seen my witterings on Miki Biasion Cosworths,i flew to italy to buy a biasion and it was mint in the pics and had been walloped all over the place ,the only cosworths i have seen that much repaired are rally cars,that was the cheepest coworth escort i ever saw though so probablly my own fault,you get what you pay for most times!
the other 2 cosworths were 100% rust free,one more used and sun damaged,but original panels and the other was owned by a geezer from Palermo and he genuinely treated it like his bambino,driving around for 25 minutes just to find shade to park in cos it was 110 degrees
said he would of been stuck without the working ac,and this cozzie was flint grey with raven leather

PauloV8

Thanx for answering m8.

I don't know if I should consider importing one or not when I decide do take the plunge for a cossie.

Did you already have experince with cossies when you went to Italy or was it you're first cossie buy?

My fear is that, it'll the first time with cossies for me, and since I don't have experience with them, flying to a foreign country to see/buy one will complicate it even more...

I don't trust myself, because although I can check some things when buying a car, most of the times I let my heart get over my head and that's not good.

I've been lucky so far with the cars I've bought but don't want to take risks with a cossie because that would mean a dream becoming a nightmare...

If I buy one here I'll have people with more experience to go with me and prevent/reduce the probability of making a bad buy , but on the other hand importing one might save me at least 5 or 6 thousand euro...

I guess I'll have to think this over carefully...

cozzfather

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yes i have had experiance with cosworths, paulo and other lhd rs's.
you need to check everything,i think asking the right questions to the seller helps and dont let them sidetrack your answers,i have seen cut and shut cozzies,bent and misaligned,etc at least if the car you are interested in is at a dealer,they must be able to answer if the car has any accidents or crap paint, and if not i would not pay a visit.
i told the mush selling the biasion i saw that it was not to be driven as it was tapping and warning lights were on for the brakes,i would not drive from pescara to cheshire in a thing like that.
i spoke to the seller through a female interpreter,big mistake that was,my advice is get some one who speeks the same,and ask direct questions,also have a plan to see others if the one you want is not cushti

cozzfather

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Just over a year on so i thought i would bttt to see if theres anymore
lhd cosworths

PauloV8

How I wish I already could say yes...

cossiemanden

Here is a few shots of my car.

This is the first look i got on the car.


This is today

330kit

395kit

600+kit

Interior is standard for now

esko mk1

Cheers from Finland!There`s my smallturbo
http://groups.msn.com/fordit

Mr.Ford

From Holland there are also a lot LHD cossies.

one of the best know cosworth-sellers:

www.cosworth.nl

This is my old Saff 4x4 (combination germany/english style)