Low comp/high comp power comparison
If you had a 600hp yb low comp engine (let’s say 7.2:1) and an identical spec engine but a higher comp (let’s say 8.1:1) if boost pressure and everything else was identical would the higher comp engine make the same power as the lower comp one?
Or would it be more or less?
I know the higher comp engine would be more responsive lower down and quicker at spooling but is that where it ends
Cheers Paul
Or would it be more or less?
I know the higher comp engine would be more responsive lower down and quicker at spooling but is that where it ends
Cheers Paul
Without knock being an issue I would think the highest compression the better...in any car as long as you don’t cause detonation....isn’t it just a better burn under higher comp?
in really simple terms low compression turbo means more lag low down on my very basic understanding but a necessary evil if you cannot deal with the higher comp.
in really simple terms low compression turbo means more lag low down on my very basic understanding but a necessary evil if you cannot deal with the higher comp.
High comp by nature creates a cleaner and more efficient burn therefore more power for the same air/fuel mix.
Power difference - no idea what kind of % gain would be per point gained in compression. I doubt anyones done the maths/testing on a YB to give an absolute formula. Someone like Mark Shead or Stu will have the best insights for that
Power difference - no idea what kind of % gain would be per point gained in compression. I doubt anyones done the maths/testing on a YB to give an absolute formula. Someone like Mark Shead or Stu will have the best insights for that
With all things equal surely the piston squeezing the mix in a tighter hole with the higher comp will make more power, logically it's got to and push the piston down harder
Before turbocharged cars became so popular ,people who had normally aspirated cars and wanted more power mainly went down the route of higher compression engines, stage 3 cylinder heads, hotter cams,free flow exhaust manifolds and twin side choke webers or dell-orto carbs. It was a tried and tested method of getting more power and when I first started modifying my 2wd Saff 25 years ago I was suprised when the tuner said he would be lowering the compression ratio to get more power!! It seemed at the time strange to me but was the accepted route to take with a YB engine. Times have changed and turned full circle with some people now building high compression YB engines. No doubt Mark Shead will be able to explain why?
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I’m guessing like a number of you guys have said, higher compression, better fuel burn, bigger bang in the combustion chamber.
I wonder how much difference in power alone it actually makes....
Cheers Paul
I wonder how much difference in power alone it actually makes....
Cheers Paul
I would think heat management and engine mapping allows for the higher compression.
the YB was designed as naturally aspirated and then last minute swap to turbo due to marketing competition. I read recently someone saying...”build a good breathing naturally aspirated engine and then turbo it” that’s kinda what Cosworth did.
the YB was designed as naturally aspirated and then last minute swap to turbo due to marketing competition. I read recently someone saying...”build a good breathing naturally aspirated engine and then turbo it” that’s kinda what Cosworth did.
But.... if you are specifically talking about my own ecu then yes I am going aftermarket now, I have already sold my entire level 8 setup
Cheers Paul
Just to clarify I wasn’t necessarily meaning my engine, it was more a general question I was thinking about the other day.
But.... if you are specifically talking about my own ecu then yes I am going aftermarket now, I have already sold my entire level 8 setup
Cheers Paul
I will I’ll be using an AEM Infinity
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Will you run drive by wire or throttle cable, seems everyone wants dbw now, I either need to upgrade or find a link box to do mine. I will only do that though when I add the 4 throttle bodies.
does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
Will you run drive by wire or throttle cable, seems everyone wants dbw now, I either need to upgrade or find a link box to do mine. I will only do that though when I add the 4 throttle bodies.
does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
That may change though.
Yeah AEM have two versions of their own digital dashes.
Both look really smart too.
I will only need the smaller cheaper one thank god ha ha
Cheers Paul
easy to get those figures on a dyno but low gears on the road is what counts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
Cheers Paul
easy to get those figures on a dyno but low gears on the road is what counts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
Cheers Paul
On a dyno that holds the revs at a fixed point the boost gets the time to rise to the max valse possible for that rpm. On the road the rpm would increase already when going full throttle before the boost reaches its maximum value, especially in low gears. That’s why the video on the dyno looks better than it would on the road.
A boost plot (or power/torque) on the road in first gear would look a lot different than in fourth gear.
A boost plot (or power/torque) on the road in first gear would look a lot different than in fourth gear.
On a dyno that holds the revs at a fixed point the boost gets the time to rise to the max valse possible for that rpm. On the road the rpm would increase already when going full throttle before the boost reaches its maximum value, especially in low gears. That’s why the video on the dyno looks better than it would on the road.
A boost plot (or power/torque) on the road in first gear would look a lot different than in fourth gear.
Cheers Paul
A small enough turbo will do it but not a big power one, my rs6 is making 400 ps at 3000 rpm and looks to be on full song by that point, but that's a 4 litre running 350 hp per 2 litres of capacity, but so I've read that's with a 9.3-1 comp ratio !
Last edited by scoooby slayer; Jan 27, 2019 at 11:34 AM.
And it’s not the power at a said rpm I’m not believing, it’s the 2.6 bar by 3100 all the way to 6000 that I don’t believe, everyone’s quick to say it but then nothing to back it up and everyone goes silent....
Cheers Paul
Thats pukka, but.... it’s not a yb on 7064 unfortunately.
And it’s not the power at a said rpm I’m not believing, it’s the 2.6 bar by 3100 all the way to 6000 that I don’t believe, everyone’s quick to say it but then nothing to back it up and everyone goes silent....
Cheers Paul
The power curve will show when it's on full boost mate that's all I ment, what power do these 7064s make on a yb ?
all stuff went with the car Paul and never bothered copying it mate
Wtf lol why wouldn't you pmsl what a statement pmsl ! It might make full boost but it's not making full power is it lol . Or my my focus makes full boost by 3500 rpm do I change gear at 3600 then?








