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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 02:45 PM
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If you had a 600hp yb low comp engine (let’s say 7.2:1) and an identical spec engine but a higher comp (let’s say 8.1:1) if boost pressure and everything else was identical would the higher comp engine make the same power as the lower comp one?
Or would it be more or less?

I know the higher comp engine would be more responsive lower down and quicker at spooling but is that where it ends

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If all things equal bar comp, then higher comp would produce more power (if we are ignoring the topic of knock of course).
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If all things equal bar comp, then higher comp would produce more power (if we are ignoring the topic of knock of course).
Why?

And by how much do you think? Only slightly or by loads?

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Without knock being an issue I would think the highest compression the better...in any car as long as you don’t cause detonation....isn’t it just a better burn under higher comp?

in really simple terms low compression turbo means more lag low down on my very basic understanding but a necessary evil if you cannot deal with the higher comp.
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High comp by nature creates a cleaner and more efficient burn therefore more power for the same air/fuel mix.

Power difference - no idea what kind of % gain would be per point gained in compression. I doubt anyones done the maths/testing on a YB to give an absolute formula. Someone like Mark Shead or Stu will have the best insights for that
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With all things equal surely the piston squeezing the mix in a tighter hole with the higher comp will make more power, logically it's got to and push the piston down harder
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Before turbocharged cars became so popular ,people who had normally aspirated cars and wanted more power mainly went down the route of higher compression engines, stage 3 cylinder heads, hotter cams,free flow exhaust manifolds and twin side choke webers or dell-orto carbs. It was a tried and tested method of getting more power and when I first started modifying my 2wd Saff 25 years ago I was suprised when the tuner said he would be lowering the compression ratio to get more power!! It seemed at the time strange to me but was the accepted route to take with a YB engine. Times have changed and turned full circle with some people now building high compression YB engines. No doubt Mark Shead will be able to explain why?
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I’m guessing like a number of you guys have said, higher compression, better fuel burn, bigger bang in the combustion chamber.

I wonder how much difference in power alone it actually makes....

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I would think heat management and engine mapping allows for the higher compression.

the YB was designed as naturally aspirated and then last minute swap to turbo due to marketing competition. I read recently someone saying...”build a good breathing naturally aspirated engine and then turbo it” that’s kinda what Cosworth did.
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Are modern fuels much better for knock? Octane rating etc?


dare I say chuck a modern ecu on it? Lol
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Are modern fuels much better for knock? Octane rating etc?


dare I say chuck a modern ecu on it? Lol
Just to clarify I wasn’t necessarily meaning my engine, it was more a general question I was thinking about the other day.
But.... if you are specifically talking about my own ecu then yes I am going aftermarket now, I have already sold my entire level 8 setup

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Just to clarify I wasn’t necessarily meaning my engine, it was more a general question I was thinking about the other day.
But.... if you are specifically talking about my own ecu then yes I am going aftermarket now, I have already sold my entire level 8 setup

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don’t worry, I was only joking....for old time sake. What ecu will you use?
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Most higher comp turbo cars don’t run much more than 1.6-2.0 bar of boost where as you’ll see cossies upto 2.5 bar on lower comp
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Just out of interest, what is a yb's standard compression ratio? does it vary between 205 and 200 blocks?
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Most higher comp turbo cars don’t run much more than 1.6-2.0 bar of boost where as you’ll see cossies upto 2.5 bar on lower comp
Originally Posted by Caddyshack

don’t worry, I was only joking....for old time sake. What ecu will you use?
No problem dude.

I will I’ll be using an AEM Infinity

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Originally Posted by riks2rst
Just out of interest, what is a yb's standard compression ratio? does it vary between 205 and 200 blocks?
About 8:1 I believe

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No problem dude.

I will I’ll be using an AEM Infinity

Cheers Paul
Karl at NMS has been using the infinity for a while. Im using it on my E46 M3 turbo
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Originally Posted by riks2rst
Karl at NMS has been using the infinity for a while. Im using it on my E46 M3 turbo
He does all my engine work/mapping/etc.

Do you have the digital display in your M3?

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Will you run drive by wire or throttle cable, seems everyone wants dbw now, I either need to upgrade or find a link box to do mine. I will only do that though when I add the 4 throttle bodies.

does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
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Originally Posted by riks2rst
Just out of interest, what is a yb's standard compression ratio? does it vary between 205 and 200 blocks?
Mine was 8.3.1 and run 2.6 BAR on a 70.64
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Originally Posted by Jay,
Mine was 8.3.1 and run 2.6 BAR on a 70.64
Thats only a peak boost figure for that setup

I guess that’s where low comp has its advantages when holding on to high boost figures up the top end of the rpm’s?

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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Will you run drive by wire or throttle cable, seems everyone wants dbw now, I either need to upgrade or find a link box to do mine. I will only do that though when I add the 4 throttle bodies.

does infinity make their own digi dash....seems obvious that all ecu companies should for the best integration.
Both have been talked of but for now just the cable probably to retain the standard throttle body.
That may change though.

Yeah AEM have two versions of their own digital dashes.
Both look really smart too.
I will only need the smaller cheaper one thank god ha ha

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Thats only a peak boost figure for that setup

I guess that’s where low comp has its advantages when holding on to high boost figures up the top end of the rpm’s?

Cheers Paul
made all the boost by 3100rpm and held it right up to 6000and dropped of to 2 bar iirc a massive chunk of torque very responsive every where . Low comp is for old type unleaded and poorly specced engine tbf
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Originally Posted by Jay,
made all the boost by 3100rpm and held it right up to 6000and dropped of to 2 bar iirc a massive chunk of torque very responsive every where . Low comp is for old type unleaded and poorly specced engine tbf
So yours made 2.6 bar by 3100 all the way up to 6000?

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Yea same here ..2.7bar from 3100k up to 6k tailing off to 2bar
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Yea same here ..2.7bar from 3100k up to 6k tailing off to 2bar
Do you have a boost plot to show that?

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Originally Posted by Jay,
made all the boost by 3100rpm and held it right up to 6000and dropped of to 2 bar iirc a massive chunk of torque very responsive every where . Low comp is for old type unleaded and poorly specced engine tbf
Or do you have one Jay?

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easy to get those figures on a dyno but low gears on the road is what counts

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Originally Posted by 20/20 vision
easy to get those figures on a dyno but low gears on the road is what counts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
What do you mean buddy?

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Originally Posted by 20/20 vision
easy to get those figures on a dyno but low gears on the road is what counts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PfyeLALPM&t=46s
On a low comp engine too, nice

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


What do you mean buddy?

Cheers Paul
On a dyno that holds the revs at a fixed point the boost gets the time to rise to the max valse possible for that rpm. On the road the rpm would increase already when going full throttle before the boost reaches its maximum value, especially in low gears. That’s why the video on the dyno looks better than it would on the road.

A boost plot (or power/torque) on the road in first gear would look a lot different than in fourth gear.
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On a dyno that holds the revs at a fixed point the boost gets the time to rise to the max valse possible for that rpm. On the road the rpm would increase already when going full throttle before the boost reaches its maximum value, especially in low gears. That’s why the video on the dyno looks better than it would on the road.

A boost plot (or power/torque) on the road in first gear would look a lot different than in fourth gear.
I was gonna say holding the revs it would do lol.

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Still no boost plots from any of these cars showing 2.6 bar by 3000 revs....

i wonder why... I smell something...

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Originally Posted by turbotrev
Still no boost plots from any of these cars showing 2.6 bar by 3000 revs....

i wonder why... I smell something...

Cheers Paul

A small enough turbo will do it but not a big power one, my rs6 is making 400 ps at 3000 rpm and looks to be on full song by that point, but that's a 4 litre running 350 hp per 2 litres of capacity, but so I've read that's with a 9.3-1 comp ratio !


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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
A small enough turbo will do it but not a big power one, my rs6 is making 400 ps at 3000 rpm and looks to be on full song by that point, but that's a 4 litre running 350 hp per 2 litres of capacity, but so I've read that's with a 9.3-1 comp ratio !

Thats pukka, but.... it’s not a yb on 7064 unfortunately.
And it’s not the power at a said rpm I’m not believing, it’s the 2.6 bar by 3100 all the way to 6000 that I don’t believe, everyone’s quick to say it but then nothing to back it up and everyone goes silent....

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Thats pukka, but.... it’s not a yb on 7064 unfortunately.
And it’s not the power at a said rpm I’m not believing, it’s the 2.6 bar by 3100 all the way to 6000 that I don’t believe, everyone’s quick to say it but then nothing to back it up and everyone goes silent....

Cheers Paul

The power curve will show when it's on full boost mate that's all I ment, what power do these 7064s make on a yb ?
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The power curve will show when it's on full boost mate that's all I ment, what power do these 7064s make on a yb ?
I hear ya dude

500-530 max

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


I hear ya dude

500-530 max

Cheers Paul

Even the plot above isn't making full boost til about 4000 rpm looking at the curve, I can't imagine any turbo capable of over 500 hp on a 2 litre being able to hit full boost at 3000 rpm in gear on the road except maybe 5th lol
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Paul,I have to say that would be one hell of a YB to be making 2.6bar by 3000 revs!!! You would never need to worry about going up to 6500-7500 rpm!!
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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Or do you have one Jay?

Cheers Paul
all stuff went with the car Paul and never bothered copying it mate

Originally Posted by cossynut2
Paul,I have to say that would be one hell of a YB to be making 2.6bar by 3000 revs!!! You would never need to worry about going up to 6500-7500 rpm!!
Wtf lol why wouldn't you pmsl what a statement pmsl ! It might make full boost but it's not making full power is it lol . Or my my focus makes full boost by 3500 rpm do I change gear at 3600 then?
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