Had a long running bit of banter with a lad i know over our cars, mines a rusty old piece of shit, his is jap crap etc etc

We have both told each other ones faster than the other so thinking of having a pop at pod with him, but before i do whats your predicitions on who would be faster? specs are:

2005 DC5 Integra spec: http://www.itr-dc5.com/spec/index.php
He also has a filter and exhaust fitted

My fiestas spec is: 1.8ZVH, Kent CVH35 cam, Beige Injectors, Stage 2 T3, -31 actuator, 60mm front mount, MSD chip, Koni adjustables, Stainless Exhaust, filter, Sytec fuel pump, 82 degree thermostat, LSD gearbox, Helix organic clutch, Vibratechnic engine mounts 186bhp, 196lbft of torque (15psi of boost)

So before i take on a cash bet and a trip to pod whats your thoughts people?, as i would rather take it to the strip then the road

 

Depends if the LSD is a stock ERST or an uprated item, what tyres and whether you know how to launch on a drag strip with your car. Are you doing best of 3 or best time from the day? also et or terminal speed?

 

Im on Toyo t1r allround,
Its a series one box with a LSD fitted and uprated bearings
It will be best of 3 doing the 1/4 mile

 

If there's a corner involved then I don't care what spec your car is his dc5 will destroy it.

If its a gay race at the pod. Then I would say it will probably be close , but if he can drive I'd still say he's gunna win. Dc5s have a diff out the box so launch quite well and do t have traction issues so youll have to make it up in te last 1/8 of the mile and yours ent exactly a power house mate.

If it was my money and I had to bet it would be on him. Sorry

 

LOL thats why i didnt want to take him on a track as i knew it would show me up at the first bend lol!

 

PUT some NOS into it then you will win!

I have a similar powered FRST to yours with a quaife diff I think it would be very tight.

Your car is about 760Kg you 70KG ? petrol half tank 20kg = 850Kg so you are looking at 186/0.850 = 219Bhp per ton and 196lbft => 265 NM

He has 220Bhp but weighs 1.170 tonne (add 90kg for him and fuel) so 174Bhp per tonne and 206Nm

so you have the better power to weight ratio and torque figures he has traction control etc.

If you can get the power down you should win but you need to get it down quickly and have the turbo spun up otherwise you will lose! - good luck don't let us down!

 

Ha! will try not too!, TBH its just for a giggle, but id hate to loose!, i have shown up a fair few ep3 Type R civics and standard imprezas on the way to work on the ringroad so would like to think id give it a hard time!

 

not to sound like a ford head, but dont rate the typr r at all ive raced and beat a few in my frst, and also drove a couple dont know if its me but they just dont seem fast at all but thats just my view

 

As said mate Ep3 civic type Rs i dont struggle with, but the DC5 has 20bhp more and a LSD i will kill us all before he overtakes me!

 

got all of the bits for the NOS kit, am looking at 40bhp on tap so can really piss off some other peoples egos when it is installed! sadly need space and time to get this done so will have to wait till winter!

 

Do you want to borrow my cosworth, put a fiesta badge on the back and throw some salt in his eyes and enjoy victory

 

Haha! now that would be sweet!

 

You probs have a wider power band and more torque. He has more power but there ain't much going on until 5500-6000rpm whears your probaly well on boost by 3000-3500rpm. Although it will be a staright line event. Get a good launch and I reckon you might have it.

 

Wouldn't like to say either way. I certainly wouldn't be putting money on either put it that way.

 

It seems a tight one....

 

Turn the boost right up lol!! 30psi minimum!

 

turn up the boost, about 2 bar should be enough

 

Yeh enough for my Pistons to meet the world on a decomp plate......

 

It only needs to last approx 45 seconds, juat cross your fingers

 

I will take my trusty RAC card

 

being a fellow fezz driver im with u mate all the way , so dont let me down, lol


when u going up ?

 

I must have destroyed about 4-5 different EP3 civics in a week with my ERST with the boost turned up to 1.1bar. But saying that it destroyed the engine about a week later.

Honestly Statey, as much as i hate the spice boy ricer...they are a road legal track car from the production line. It would probably dust you to be honest!

 

i destroyed them when my car ran 250bhp on a t3 with lsd gearbox. i reckon if you both were rolling from say 30mph ull win BUT off the line the dc5 are good then hardly spin off the line mate they just grip up.. if you raced at pod its going to be a real tight race because i could guarantee he will have the edge off the line .. you may need more than 186bhp to close the gap AND get in front. however i gurantee if both cars were rolling fromn say 30 or 40mph you will win .. just race him on a queit dual carriage way somewhere dead mate.. my car now runs 32psi and i aint had a car even keep up ! its a zetec 2.1 t34 turbo tubular manifold etc quiaiffe atb diff

 

Can you strip some more weight out of the car? 20-30kgs might just give you the edge.

 

You will be very surprised, my old 240bhp cvh turbo in my mk5 was only pulling a bit through 3rd and getting its legs into fourth, do not race it where he can catch you off boost as they take alot of reeling in. Super sharp car, with a mega gearbox, the change and rev drops are incredible, be on your toes is my advice, a little tip would be get it hard on boost with left foot breaking ready for when he says go. That's the only way I could do them through the early gears.

 

Thanks for that Jimbo
Think i will go pull a HT lead off and pretend its broke

 

I think u should have him. Had a go at one a few weeks back in a gte 16v astra and kept up until 100 then he pulled away but not by much. Was expecting it to leave the astra standing!

 

Off the blocks he should be pulling ahead but it is when you get into 2nd and 3rd gear you will pull the gap back. You should have enough legs to make the gap and overtake in the last half of the drag race but off the line he should get off much quicker I would have thought if he can launch. Best advice I can give is try not to spin up too much and in regards to launching hard on boost: pointless. You will spin everything onto the tarmac and go nowhere. If anything apply only half to 3/4 throttle in first gear and feed the power in gradually. I've seen plenty cars spin everything away in first couple of gears running moderate power although that said no idea on what tyres or suspension they were on.

 

Cheers for that advice!, i know what u mean, i watched the 0-60 at fordfair and the amount of people who just sat there spinning through 1st and 2nd was crazy, light throttle and riding the clutch abit seemed to work well.

 

on your spec, you should be aiming for mid 14s @ pod but you need a v good launch
I think he will spank you sorry
your best bet is to stand down and let your mates 1.6 turbo race him instead just give me a date!

 

fiesta should have it, just down to the organic bit behind the wheel though, fast changes and keeping it in the power band is where you will make or break it really.
power wise the integra can keep the power on for longer, but you will have a surge of power to pull harder.

 

I dont get this....

The DC5 I am guessing is heavy or at least compared to the Fiesta at well under a ton...

The Fiesta has 184 BHP and will run no doubt more torque than the DC5 but still loose in a straight line battle?

Power to weight shows the Fiesta has a better power to weight than a E36 M3 Evo and E46 M3 which would show a clean pair of heals to the DC5.

I understand it might have traction control and better traction, but if your sensible and launch the Fiesta without wheel spin you should be in front at the end.

It is all about power to weight and you driving the car.

 

Your going to get your arse handed to you by the honda seen a few dc5s in the 13 second mark at pod!!

 

you mention power to weight, great, but look at a torque curve on both engines, a non turbo builds, peaks and then drops off. a n/a tends to build, hold for a while and slowly drop off. n/a hold torque for longer, turbo's have much shorter but bigger power bands.
then there is grip where torque spikes cause spin.
also an integra is much more aerodynamic, which at the end of the run plays a big part, not so much low down though.
i would be betting on the honda, sorry but the facts speak for themselves really.

 

But this is what I do not get, the facts state the Fiesta wins. Better BHP per ton, more torque and lighter. OK getting it off the line will be a struggle but that is the driver.

Not having a dig or anything just dont understand why on paper the fiesta should be quicker but everyone is saying the DC5 will beat it...?

If it was me. I would find a nice long stretch, rolling start at 30 and go for it. For me, the Fiesta should win

 

But the point is that it is a 1/4 mile sprint from zero where the race will be won or lost at the start. Without doubt if the Fiesta can get off well it will have no problems in beating the DC5 but the way the DC5 will deliver its power coupled along with its chassis and launch ability is what makes it favourite in THIS scenario.

 

OK I can understand that. So everyone agrees on the open road and rolling the Fiesta is going to beat this? Just did a quick stat review on the fiesta with 184 bhp and weight 850 (someone mentioned above) and it gives some really good figures

 

Buy or borrow a nitrous kit, you need more power!

 

EP3 Civic is not in the same world as the Integra. I can match my friends EP3 Civic Type R in my modified A4 but on the same journey I got absolutely thrashed by my mates Integra DC2 that made 199bhp on the rollers at Evolve.

Factory figures I'm finding for the DC5 (sure they will vary site to site);
bhp : 217
Weight :1250kg
bhp/ton : 173
0-60 : 7.1
1/4 : 14.6 @ 98mph

I reckon you're going to have your work cut out for you

 

They are not fast until you are in the "Vtec-yo" zone, as this is where the power is made, anything below this and they aren't particularly powerful, (DC2 is around 130HP IIRC).

I would personally say the FRST or it will be a dead heat, the DC5 is around 220HP or something from memory, but they are quite heavy, more so than a DC2, which to this end is faster than a DC5 (someone told me this who owns one) it has also has been said above by someone.

So for a start the FRST has a better/power to weight ratio and has the benefit of being FI, like I say the Honda's don't really get shifting until the Vtec zone IME!

Martin