Any tips or tricks or any mods I can buy to give my 1.8tdci a bit more go?

 

id look at a re-map mate im looking on doing one on my mondy

 

Agreed, a remap totally transforms them, not just powerwise but you get better economy too.

You arent far from MSD if you are in liverpool.

 

As chip says... It's a good all-round conversion on a diesel totally transforms them.

 

k&n panel filter is a good cheap mod on these, performance ford done a tdci tuning feature and it gave a 5bhp increase.

Personally I wouldnt be remapping one of these, the delphi injectors dont have the best of reputations and ive heard of injector problems after using tuning boxes.

But if you are going for a remap, its hard to look past Bluefin - ive been out in a bluefinned 1.8 TDCi and there was a noticable increase over standard.

 

Also, MSD do a 7 day moneyback guarentee if you dont like it, but i promise that you wont want to use it!

If you have had an N/A petrol chipped in the past and found it made little or no difference, I can assure you that with a turbo diesel its NOTHING like that, it really does make a massive difference.

 

remap and tuning boxes are totally different things, heard of loads of problems with the boxes but never heard about remap problems.

 

Agreed.

Although anything that extracts more power from your engine is going to put extra strain on some component somewhere of course, even if its just the clutch.

 

get it remapped.
i have a tdi bora 130, had a remap to 170bhp and it's brilliant, really flies.
worth every penny and still get good economy.

 

All sounds good , can you choose what type of remap you want or are they all just standard remaps all do the same thing? How much are they likely to be? Also a mate said you can have the turbos wound up on them pretty easy, any one heard if this ?

 

We're is msd mate? And how long does it take like he long am I with out a car for ?

 

They are in Blackpool... (poulton le flyde) spelling....they would probably do it in the day for you iirc.

 

Msd also have installers in other areas have a look on there website for prices ect

 

Sorry mate, MSD = Motorsport Developments in blackpool.

They are the sister company to Evolution Chips

Normally only takes a couple of hours for a remap in general.

You can find an agent near you rather than go their head office by looking on their site.


http://www.evolutionchips.co.uk/Car_...ing_Search.asp


Some agents are even mobile and will come to you in your home or place of work etc, just a bit of a lottery depending on where in the country you are.

 

You should expect around 130-135bhp with a remap and good fair bit extra torque too. They don't remap as well as the Vag PD engines though so it isn't going to be putting out 150bhp+

 

Kind of but not quite that simple lol, as with any FI engine extracting power is quite easy by raising the boost pressure, however just doing this won't achieve anything and will make the car run worse or even destroy the engine (Especially in the case of a Petrol powered unit), more detail below on the problems it causes for Diesels.

Cheap Diesel remaps do just this and this is why you end up with emissions problems (High Hydrocarbons) and not a lot else really, to take advantage you need to advance the injection timing as well, so not only do you gain mainly more torque than power in the case of a Diesel but also better fuel economy as well, it really is no myth, it IS a win win situation.

The likes of a quality MSD remap would achieve this, the point I am trying to make is always avoid cheap remaps which we all know anyway, the cheap remaps just raise the boost pressure and not alot else in the case of Diesels.

Martin

 

I know they are totally different things, yes most tuning boxes are cheap and nasty - but there is no doubting that even a good remap is going to put more strain on the already fragile delphi injectors...all IMO of course.

That said, my old standard 1.8 tdci didnt give any injector problems from new to 92k, but going by the mondeo - delphi injectors seem to give bother.

 

One of the key factors with modern diesel engines is the injection timing, which is essentially the same as ignition timing on a petrol engine.

To avoid NOX values falling outside of the parameters they are allowed within when selling a new car the manufacturers often have to retard the injector timing to stop the diesel burning fully as NOx emissions tend to happen in the later stages of burn.

By advancing the timing back to where the manufacturer would have liked to have put it if their hands werent tied by legislation, it can normally improve both power and economy without a need to raise boost pressure.

Some remaps then also introduce a little more boost as well, but typically most decent remaps I have seen dont actually increase the boost by a huge amount like we all tend to want to do with our petrol turbos.

 

Why would altering the injection timing to advance when the fuel is put in for example, have a negative effect on the injectors?

 

I'm not a mechanic, but wouldnt the injectors be under more strain because of increased fuel pressure due to the remap?

 

Iirc isn't Diva Motorsport a MSD remapper? He is only based in St Helen's I think?

 

That would depend if the remap altered the fuel pressure or not, you'd need to talk to the individual mapper who is doing a particular remap to find out if on a specific application there is a change in fuel pressure or not.

 

I have a focus tdci sport 03plate and had it remapped at msd and it totally transformed the car, had a big smile on me face put it that way ! Massive difference in power and I've also had just over 600 miles to a full tank (47ltrs) or just over due to the filler neck.

 

600 miles out of 47 litres is almost 60mpg, surely it cant be *that* good even after a remap

 

my old standard 1.8 tdci would have done 450-500 miles max, so thats some going - i reckon its about 75 miles to a tank better than our 2.0L petrol MK2.

 

Yes it can be that good.

Mate of mine had his 530D M-sport 2007 model remapped and the fuel economy went from 38mpg avg up to 52mpg. That is with someone driving everywhere on A-roads @ about 60mph on an auto box. I used to drive it and could get a shade under 60mpg myself, driving it a lot quicker than he used to. Bear in mind that the BMW is probably getting on to be around 2 tonne, so quite a heavy car, and with the M5 alloys dragging it back.

 

The Ford 1.8 TDCi and BMW M57 are two completely different engines!

 

My 320d is doing over 62mpg on a run at 80mph

averaging at 42mpg during the week

its pretty amazing what can be done with the diesels, i love playing with them, mines running almost 2 bar of boost aswell

You can see the typical power and torque increases here

http://www.evolutionchips.co.uk/Vehi...ng_Search.html

And a fuel saving of up to 20% is normal.

 

2 bar is mad for a weasel diesel! The old man has a 3.0TDi A6 on a 08 plate (230/240ps?). He kinda likes the idea of a remap for economy reasons, is 20% saving really achievable? He doesn't drive hard but would it put much strain on other components? (Sorry for high jacking the thread)

 

lots of the new diesels run pretty big boost as std,

yes 20% is acheivable, it comes down to driving style, and learning to drive to use the remaps benifits, you can stay in higher gears for much longer as you have plenty of torque to pull out of it, and just use less throttle pretty much all the time.

its not often we increase boost pressure at all on our normal remaps on the diesels.

my old corsa van had a std remap on it and i saw 60 miles more per tank, my bmw is even more than that but we have done a fair bit of work with it now.

Strain isnt really ever an issue as far as ive known, they all seem more than capable of running some extra ponies. mines around 25% up on power and ive had no dramas at all.

personally all i ever do is just change the oil before due date, to keep it clean, saying that my bmw does 16000 miles between oil changes, so i just cut it to 9k, thats just me personally, i dont know there is a real need for that, but i dont like the idea of doing 16k on oil

 

Sounds good to me!

 

I`ve a 330D Sport 184bhp what sort of gains could I expect?

 

Why woulden't it, 60MPG isn't unbelieveable, most average petrol motors of today *claim* 40+MPG, so that figure seems quite realistic!

Martin

 

click the link i put up and have a look

 

my bora went from 130bhp to 170bhp, economy on a run has reached 63mpg, but i did have to drive smoothly to get that after a bit of hard driving.
it's odd pottering about just over 1100rpm in fifth everywhere, but that gets around 50mpg.
flooring it ruins economy like all cars, but i average over 10mpg better than the misses with her 206 xsi 1.6 petrol and she drives quite smoothly.

 

in my tdci i get, on a run over 55mpg and thats the 2.0 duratorq engine,i have checked this 3 times over the last 12 months, most recently 2 weeks ago.

So would a new ford 3 piece clutch and DMF be ok after 26,000mls to remap on ??

 

Try these they did mine spot on service and special offers. did my tdi golf 140hp to 175hp
http://quantumtuning.co.uk/