The AG built "charlie shaw focos":
http://www.motorsportads.com/race-ca...ars/19052.html

Or the Zen Imprezza for 15K less:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1380233.htm

I 'prefer' the focos, but must admit if it was my money I would probably go for the scooby just because it manages to be just as quick as the Focos (in fact quicker than charlies one IIRC) but without needing so many expensive parts on it (gearbox at a tenth of the price etc)



What do other people think?

 

when you put it like that it makes sense to buy the zen car but i couldnt bring myself to have a scooby no matter how good!!!lol
i want charlies motor!!!

if the mrs reads this im dead!!

cheers danny

 

foscos

 

Subaru, jokes aside a far better package and at that money its a steal.

I've always said I would love to own Andrews car but when you consider what you could have for what I guess he'll sell it for then you have to look about a little.

If your a 110% Ford nut though there possibly isn't a better car to be pedaling round a track.

 

fod blmkrs to fuk

 

no comparison for me Chippy boy

 

how much does ag want for hes one????

 

dont mean to chuck a spanner in the works...but

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin...00k_build.html

 

Not sure mate, havent seen it for sale, its charlie's one that is up for 60K, I assume cause he wants to buy AG's one, and they have probably discussed the price in private, but maybe one of them will come on here and say what that figure is if they want it in the public domain.

 

Properly stunning car that!

 

Does that mean that you prefer the focos "just because" and dont care its slower, more expensive to maintain, dearer to buy, and not eligable for as many race series, or does it mean that you prefer the scooby because the focos doesnt compare in all those ways?

Not sure which way around you meant it?

 

Another good example of whats about at the moment !

 

yeah i was thinking the same..
probably said give me 60k and its yours!!!lol

does any one know why ag is packing it in???


cheers danny

 

getting his licence back and going rallying...i think.

 

Yeah he mentioned at TOTB he wanted to get back into rallying as soon as he could, hardly surprising given his family heritage in that particular sport

 

i think i'd be having the dcy evo given the choice...comes with a free brian james james race shuttle too and they are 5k odd

 

Chip i love the focos looks alot bettr and iam just an RS man

 

probably this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AUDI-S4-RS4-RA...item3efae11407

 

love the evo aswell except the spoiler

 

and a nice 997 turbo for the daily driver.....

 

If you like the focos looks, and looks are what you think is important in a race car, then that makes sense in that context I guess mate

 

Isn't that the same one that was once just red ?

Steve Fitzpatrick being the owner ? was at Mallory last year I think Chip ?

 

plus its a weaponplus when i race cars that look shite it tends to put me off themi would like to have a nice race car SO it looks nice and goes like fookand the amount of work that has went into these cars is awsome

 

what a weapon for the money!!!

i like that a lot..

 

i think so, im sure i saw it sumwhere and it was plain red

 

what about thundersaloon 3doors or touringcars for sale ? anyone know of any ?

shell / resoration object ok aswell. please PM me.

thx

 

both cars also run in Northern sports saloon champoinship with no probs,, which include various circuits like anglesey cadwell oulton etc

 

or you could have this

http://www.motorsportads.com/race-ca...ars/17770.html

 

Chip wasnt the Zen car allways driven by a pro driver? I know Charlie is a good driver but its not his job is it? Also at Snetty they had to back the power off on the Zen car, has this issue been fixed has a new engine been installed.

Now i am not in a possision to buy either so it doesnt really matter tbh.

 

Nash, I believe the problem with the old engine was oil surge, and they then moved to a drysump setup, cant comment beyond that though as dont know the details.

 

I would imagine the zen car does have a new engine, when I saw it at TA brands it threw a rod and set fire to the engine bay. Plus when ag set the quickest lap at the next TA event didn't the guy that owns the zen car come on here saying the car had just been rebuilt and hadn't finished mapping?

 

Can you get a mortgage on race cars ?

 

You should be able to, based on the last couple of years their prices have been more stable than houses have

 

Charlies for me. Probably because i've seen it first hand more often than the Zen car and everytime it does the business.

Chip, do you know something we dont when you say the Charlie Shaws car is more expensive to maintain than the Zen car?

If anything the Zen car is marginally faster but it was driven by a pro driver in the TA series, where as charlie is just a milkman of sorts

So focus would be my choice

 

Only if you dont know things like Charlie is on a FFD gearbox and the Zen one can manage still on an OEM 6 speed worth a tenth as much for example.
The Imprezza OEM drivetrain (if you pikc the right year/model donor) is strong enough in standard form for serious use, and available for peanuts, so is cheaper to maintain for that reason.


Agreed, it appears that way, although like mentioned it probably could attribute some of that speed to the pro driver, so they are much of a muchness performance wise I suspect.

 

the zen car was driven by phil glue wasnt it?

he is racing in touring car's next year and won this years clio cup championship

 

I think last season it was a guy called Tom Ferrier, he drove a seat in the BTCC the year before also a guy called Matt Allison also drove it once or twice, he drove a chevrolet in the BTCC last year aswell.

It's a quality car though. Personally i've nothing against using pro drivers if the team wants to, at the end of the day the better you do the better rep/namespread your business gets, or the business you advertise on the car.

 

think ag is also selling the ST race car,,,,,

 

thats a tough choice both the focus and evo beat the scoob on looks but at the price the scoob is a bargain, but if it was me then it would be the focus without a doubt it just looks so right

 

Focus for me.