been looking at a newer van, time for a change,
the requirements:-

diesel, LWB pref 4m panel van, high roof, 3.5ton GVW

so the options,

VWLT
Merc sprinter
Iveco daily

are really the only options,

so ive done a bit of research on what i can locally from people i know,

im looking at spending up to 10K.
was sort of set on the merc but, after looking at what you get for your money its nothing compared to an Iveco, but i dont know too much about the ivecos, only had experiance with the older dailys which had shit engines really, not had many other problems that i know of,

all the mercs seam to have galactic mileage on them, i.e 2001 lwb spirnter 4cylinder, CDi 120hp, 130,000 miles £8000 WTF ???

iveco 2004 bigger van, nicer interior, 46,000miles 4cyl 120hp £9000, why is there a better,newer and bigger van for near the same price #??????


any input greatly recieved

 

The VW and the Merc are the same van!

Im not sure if there are engine differences, but they are basically the same vehicle.

As are the Renault/Nissan/Vauxhall panel vans.

I dont know of any inherent problems with the Sprinter/LT, but maybe others do!

 

yeah i know that but there are ihenrant differances and faults that are not ness the same to each manufacturers.

i.e vw golf/seat leon - same platform - golfs uffered rear beam bush failure regularly - leons didnt just a for instance

as for the renault french crap - i will not entertain any of that variant you mentioned hence why not in my list !!
i want a real van not something i want to be pushing every 10 mins - or one that wont pull the skin of a rice pudding !

 

i borrowed stampers iveco last week,wasnt to bad but is a bit 4x4'y for my licking and really sufferd in the wind,plus was heavy on fuel as well,once we loaded it up it struggled up hills abit as well,nice to drive though.

 

tim, nicks van is the 6 tonner iirc, the big tall fucker !!!

im not looking at one that big just a 3.5ton, had a go in one to day, was very nice, just heard a few horror stories, need a few more real life user comments !!!

 

ever thought about getting a new van on busniess contract?

maybe through a conpany called http://www.abc-leasing.com/
and maybe speaking to a guy called steven on 01446729165

your 10k would go a long way

 

i am real life,iam only a god like figure when iam rallying.

 

mate im a builder and have got a transit 280swb get all my gear in but looking for a van with more belly space

 

bonehead

if i remember, it was you sitting next to me, that i must have rubbed off on you for you to get your 'god like' status

 

i got an idea,,,, go on a diet

 

ive emailed them - cheers.

 

ford do not make anything of any use to me anymore im afraid.

 

cool mate,, sometimes its worth doing,, sometimes it isnt,,, depends on your type of business

BTW you can buy new cars and vans though them with great reductions in list prices

not a sales post

 

even i can get into a ford with my beer gut LOL ! ! ! ! !

 

yeah, ive been into the local iveco dealer today, dealers are not always overpriced, ABC, dont list iveco, but i have emailed them asking, and for alternatives, may be a business purchase, may not, depends how my accountant sees it

 

i cant believe you have over 2000 posts ,,, youve never talked about cars (which is ok) but you have talked about your beer belly in every one of them

change the fucking tune dude

 

nah mate ! i dont think so LOL

 

the only problems i've seen on the sprinter cdi's are fuel pressure problems which is usually down to poor serving/lack of fuel filter replacement. Only problem being the filter gets clogged, it throws a fuel pressure code which shuts down the ecu meaning it'll have to be towed in/reset.

i'm pretty sure the LT uses the cdi merc engine but i am not 100% sure?

 

and i was just about to give you my escort!!!!

BONEHEAD!!

 

had a 2003 iveco was shite lol broke down every other week only had 30000 on the clock now i have a merc 311 cdi 52 plate with 170 000 on the clock and i cant kill it and it has so much fooking space in the thing and goes like fook for a van

 

Id go for a sprinter or a lt there suppose to be very good vans

 

there is only one choice imo mate

 

whooooo andys stolen van!!!

 

got pulled in Kendal today for drinking out a bottle

and you were right mate about the women

oh and when are you in next i have`nt had a Tim brew for a while

 

 

in all week mate,cops suck shit from young boys arses remember!

cars on the button now so this time you will get a go in it.

 

too right they do, he said i must of been driving with my knees but i did not want to point out to him i have BOTH my arms and just let him say his peace and got on my way.

My s 1 might have to go to the Tf grave yard in the sky mate setting up your own Business kinda swallows All your extra dosh

will pop through this week in my new Skoda

 

Dont buy the iveco , they are reasonably fast but drinks loads of diesel and i find the one at work to be uncomfortable, get the vw or merc.

 

I drive a 54 plate iveco daily, there not built too good but they are cheap compared to other makes etc,oh and mines the 2.3 turbo and it goes like stink,and mines never broke down either and its just hit 41k

 

skoda?what happened to the audi?

 

sprinter..end of story somethings are cheap..like iveco,s you have to ask why

you only get what you pay for

 

my sprinter has been hell from day one,anything runny it spits on the floor,so far its leakend engine oil,power steering fluid,water,diesel.brake fluid, its a nuisance,but it has done nearly 245,000 miles,most towing!!

 

Got to reccomend a Sprinter TBH.

I got one new in 2001 and have kicked its arse in non stop since day one, now got 180k + on the clock and had very little problems at all with it.

Orderded a Transit last year and its been in and out the garage a few times now with build quality issues.

Those Iveco's do pull well though

 

that was a party political broadcast by the van loving party.

 

Mark, I am only going to say this once.....

AVOID THE FUCKING IVECO LIKE THE PLAGUE

I recently inspected a 54 plate 4 tonner. Off the top of my head, this is the list of defects that can be attributed to wear and tear/defects and not driver abuse.

Front ARB bushes worn on both sides.
Rear ARB D bushes worn.
Rear ARB link rod bushes top and bottom worn.
N/S head lamp poor beam pattern.
N/S main beam inop.
N/S side lamp inop.
N/S brake light inop.
O/S tail lamp inop.
No plate lamps inop.
Brake pad wear warning lamp on (pads not worn).
Horn inop.
Cab door latches insecure.
Propshaft bolts loose.
Bellhousing bolts loose/missing.
ABS warning lamp on all the time.
Minor oil leak from diff pinion flange.
Minor oil leak from diff pan.

There was more faults on it but they were things like cracked mirors, cracked screen, cut sidewalls etc.

Dash is cheap and flimsy as fook. The engine is basically the exact same engine from the old one but modified to run a common rail system. Clutch slave cylinders are common and the odd gear change cable every so often. The detent on the likages go fooked so the lever never self centres to 3rd and 4th. They can develop a starting issue where by they will just crank and crank and crank and then suddenly fire after you have flattened the battery then thrown a set of jump leads on it as if nothing was ever wrong.

Other than that, yeah not a bad van!!!

LT's are a bit under developed. They seemed to stop any mid life development and everyone else just left them behind up until the new model. The engines always seem to be ok when they are running well but turn to shit when they want to go wrong. I have rebuilt a few of them in the past. Not too bad to do.

I had an oil leak on one from the front crank oil seal. To change it, I had to remove the box to get at 2 bolts in the bell housing to get the sump off to get the oil pump off the front of the engine (the casing had 3 lips on it to stop you drawing the seal out of the front). They may have changed that now though. They still use the old Mk1 Sprinter dash. They also suffer the Srinter door problems (dropping off, check straps breaking, latches bouncing).

The Sprinter Mk2 has a better interior (in my opinion) than the old Mk1 and LT. Not sure about the engines though. We recently had a few in that had set on fire on top of the engine (not electrical). The top of the engine fills up with a black sludge under the sound proofing!! I have also known the injector seal seat errode away in the head and then leak compression past the injector.

We have had the odd starter stay in mesh due to an electrical fault too. Also had a couple of ECU failures preventing the starter relay from working under the drivers seat (easy to bridge out when you know about it).

That is all I can think of off the top of my head.

 

Wasn't it you that wanted a 313CDI Sprinter?

 

yeah but imagine the stick he would get on here,new transits seem very good,think thats what iam going to be buying.

 

tim i'll colect the escort with my new van



hmmmmmmm the jury is still out - should i be considering a a transit ?

 

we won't be getting the new transists until next year, so the jury is out on that one until then (but we do tend to buy 60 or 70 of the fookers so if anything is going to go wrong with them, i tend to find out in a hurry because i've got to get the fookers fixed )

citroens dispacthes were great engines but shit everything else, and i mean erally shit everything else, you name it, it was shit, even the dealers

kangoo's, if you want a small van buy a berlingo, the kangoo's were absolutly shafted after 80k

merc vitos are great other than their front suspension needing sorting out if you do a lot of town driving, arb drop links, top mouts and the like get a hell of a pasting, they also seem to suffer with fuel gauge problems where the anti syphon flap gets caught up with the sender and you suddenly end up only being able to put in miniscule amounts of fuel

transit connects also seem to suffer with suspension faults, mainly de to the fact that they handle great no matter what they'g to in the back
also their hydrualic clutches go tits up, all of ours have done this where the pedal sinks to the floor gradually over the space of a few hours which ends up killing the clutches
other than that they are fine

the sprinters don't have problems as long as they get serviced regulalry
end of, and we've spanked teh arses out of them over the past fwe years and they just don't go wrong, they ride well, they handle better than you would imagine a big bus thing like th lwb versions to handle, they swallow up stuff like you would not believe

i wold say that, as far as probelms go, the only one to bear in mind is how fucking big they are if you get a lwb one
and get one with a safe t bar on the back end, it saves an awful lot of agro when parking

 

isnt thre two problems with sprinters? gearboxes and RUST? they rot in the middle of panels