Hello, couple of questions if anyone knows the answers.

What are the differences between the s13 and the s14, engine wise?

How is the engine mounted in the car? ie where are the mounts.

 

S13 (CA) is a 1.8

S14 (SR) is a 2.0 and better engine



CA's do big ends and SR's do cams - That's all I know

 

SR's do big ends as well

 

Yeah, but not as readily as a CA.

 

Oh, they are also both RWD. That's another fact I know

 

is there alot involved in swapping the 1.8 for the 2ltr? as in are the ancilaries the same? loom, and ecu differnt i take it?

 

No, everything is different. Even the gearbox

 

Dave beleive it or not I looked into this a while back but couldnt find a 200SX local to me.

BTW you wanna buy my escort?

 

Right, lets go for some truth

Theres big differences (not jus looks) between S13 n S14 chassis too, but as you just seem interested in the engines, lets go there.

All UK spec and early Jap spec S13s had CA18DETs, 1.8 16v turbos, 170bhp, good for 250odd on standard turbo etc with a better cooler, 280odd on standard inj, 330odd on standard internals without any real probs, sometimes more if want, but not that common.
Jap spec ones had a different, less efficient head, but jap CA18s are pretty rare anyhow, as 90% of S13 180s and Silvias that have been imported are SR20 engined.

Late jap spec S13s, S14s, S14a, and S15s, came with various variations (mainly that S14/S15 had VVT, and inlet manifolds etc changed, but nothing much, id go for an early red top if was me) of the SR20DET, 2litre 16v turbos.
Good for 280odd on standard bits n a decent cooler, bigger bolt on stuff and can go for plenty more, 400+ has been done on standard bottomend good number of times.

CA18s have a kinda undeserved rep for doing big ends. They no worse at them than any other car of similar revs and bhp per litre.
Its just most of them have done a lot of miles and many not treated to well.
Ones that have had em replaced often has that done badly too.
Only dont see it on Cossies as they usually get rebuilt for some other reason long before they hit the miles where the big ends start to die!
My one lasted 99,000 miles before they went, and it was FAR from a pampered car, infact it was a cheap abused shed

SR20s big ends go too, and you see some like it now as they also often getting to 90k+ and led hard lives.
Ive seen ones last 130k with ease and abused to fuck though, so they do well when they want.
SR20s NEVER snap cams, ever, not unless they installed wrong, like any other car.
What they DO do is somtimes snap rocker arms, esp bouncing off the limiter for long times on modded cars.

To swap engines youd need all the bits, inc loom, manifolds, etc, jus like 90% of cars.
CAs and SRs arnt related at all, stuff like aftermarket intercoolers, turbos, exhausts, etc can be shared, but are all different as standard.

Mounts are one either side of the block, bolted on, which join to the chassis rails either side of the engine bay.

SR20 swap into a S13 is piss as late ones came with them, but ideally need a S13 SR20 box as it a bit smaller IIRC.
SR20 engine is a bit bigger in dimensions, but not by much.

Skyline RB20/25/26/30 engines fit in S13/14/15s without much grief too.

Tell me what you got in mind and i can prob help more.

 

Yeah.... What he said ^^^

 

superb reply mate, cheers so is yours a SR20DET then, ie can you get the 2ltr in the early shape?

 

Nope, mines an CA18DET. If this guy can be like this running an almost standard CA, so can I one day... maybe
http://futurenet.vo.llnwd.net/o2/uk/...Perfection.wmv

Like said, SR20 conversions are common and easy, and all later spec Jap S13s (180SXs and Silvias) ALL came with SR20s from the factory (different spec to S14/S15 ones tho, as per mentioned).

Mr.Worth on here has a SR20 engined Silvia actually.
One soo fucking cool id give my right bollock for actually...
http://www.passionford.com/forum/vie...ghlight=silvia

 

so the later s13s have the 2litre?

 

Steve your obsession with this guy is not healthy.

Mr.worths is cool as fuck though.

 

Late spec Jap import ones yes, not UK ones, UK ones were CA18 from start to finish.

They carried on making S13s till 1998 in Japan, even though the S14 was in production side by side from 1994 (95? i forget, and dont care ), as they so popular.

 

cool, cheers mate!

 

Don't forget that the SR20DET engine has an Alloy block and timing chain, while the CA18DET has a Cast Iron block and a cam-belt.

Also, the SR20DET does muller cams when the oil changes have been neglected leading to blocking of the oil spray-bars, I think it was that which Tony was referring to.

That type of neglect is what causes them to destroy big-ends and also VVT pulleys (in SR20's).

The thing is, they were generally used by business men as a high-end sports-tourer and as such suffered poor servicing. It is only 2nd user onwards that they fell into the hands of enthuiasts, but for some engines this was too late.

Really the head gasket becomes a concern after 300ish bhp and really wants replacing with a thicker Metal one.

 

Good point, makes not that much odds, but still a big fact

Aye, guess so, like any car really, jus summat SXs got a shit rep for!



Indeed, oil change neglection is what fucks any car, just has happened to so many SXs in past they got the bad rep from it!

Good point that i was too lazy to type.
Back when they was new S13s and S14s were mostly owned by businessmen and were high mile motorway cars.

 

Just because the SR has an extra 200cc on the CA18 doesn't nessicarly mean it's a better engine.

 

i have had both in the past

s13 is miles cheaper and so much more fun

 

It's more the fact that there are so many more parts easily available for the SR20, due to the stronger presence in Japan.

Take good quality tubular exhaust manifolds as one prime example.

 

or you could actually use a turbo hangar like any normal person would with a big turbo and a stainless tubular manifold! the amount of people that dont use one is silly!
some people reckon the ca18 is better built than the sr20!

 

What do you mean by that?

 

christian:NOT a dig at you at all there,but a lot of people tend to abuse their manifolds for being crap when they are trying to hang a massive turbo off it without additional help from a turbo hangar!there ARE crap manifolds out there,but some are ok,the people who use them just expect them to be able to take the stress of a massive blower hanging off them without bracing it

 

I know people with cars pushing over 400bhp thru cheapo 200SX ebay tubular manifolds for 20k miles and more and have NEVER cracked them.

You know why? Fucking bracing.

I know people who constantly smash mega bucks HKS manifolds on Evos and Skylines and having them welded all the time.

You know why? No fucking bracing.

My custom tubular manifold has braces underneath AND on top of the turbo.

Madness/stupidity not to run one on a tubular manifold.

 

I didn't take it as a dig!! LOL. I just didn't quite follow what you meant!!

Too true though.

 

i got an S13 for sale, very cheap too