Should there be zero tolerance?

Are the penalties harsh or fair?



Discuss...........

 

zero tolerance in my mind

 

Can u add a poll Chip to really see what peoples views are as some may not want to comment due to what has happened on another thread

And as sated include drug driving somehow

Steve

 

People know what they are doing and they know what the penalties are before having that first drink, so they deserve everything they get IMO.

 

Oh and YES unreservedly ZERO tollerance to drink driving and driving while under the influence of drugs

which as stated on another thread is not only harder to detect and prove, but IMO seems to not get looked at as badly for some reason, infact almost taken as acceptable


Steve

 

zero tolerance - NO. It takes far too long for that last bit to be removed from your bloodstream.

You'd have people having a heavy Saturday night, and testing positive on a monday morning. Madness

 

Zero tollerance. Especially if an innocent life is lost be it pedestrian or passenger

 

If it did become zero tolerance, I wouldn't ever touch a drop before driving. As it is now, I stay within the legal limits. Simple as.

 

I dont think they are harsh enough for some cases that have happened i.e. drink driver kills girl and p1sses off then only gets something stupid like 3 year prison and 3 year ban THAT THEY DO WHILE LOCKED IN FOOKING PRISON so they can drive again once out they should do the sentence then the driving ban starts from the day they come out

I was out till early hours on Saturday night and didnt go anywhere near my car on Sunday as I knew I would still have it in my system

 

Never mind when you eat something thats been cooked with wine/spirit

There HAS to be some allowance for alcohol in you system within the law!

 

I dont think the laws should be changed. Its peoples attitudes that need changing.

 

i HATE drink driving BUT zero tolerance is a bad idea for the morning after etc. you could have marginal alcohol in your system hours later in the morning and i dont think that deserves a ban. However driving on the same night or just after drinking or whatever is not on IMO!

 

Also very true.

But do you realise just how long you would have to leave it?

 

The most sensible thing said so far I think!

 

Zero tollerance. I will admit to doing it in my younger days but will all grow up.

Drug driving has got to be the worst. Especailly with people coked up or on speed. Risk taking goes through the roof then.

I also remember my mate letting me drive his car in a field while I was mangled on acid. It scared the hell out of me and i was only doing about 4 mph in first gear!

Anything that distorts your perception has to be taking with zero tollernace when driving is involved.

 

I think the sentances they are given are far too fair!
Anyone who goes out on the p*ss, an then drives home, is scum in my eyes! (waits to get shouted at).. sorry but its my view on the matter.
As for drinking the night b4 an driving the next day i've not thought about that one If i still felt p*ssed or abit funny, there is no way i would drive, wouldnt want to risk hurting myself or more importantly anyone else

 

See, I can understand you feeling that way but what I don't get is why you have to get so wound at me for doing something which was within the legal limit? There was certainly no need to start insulting me IMO.

 

Poll now added

 

People will get out of it any way they can anyway, so it's a fairly pointless conversation to be having.

A friend of mine was killed crossign a road in Dec and my young cousin was hit earlier in the year (when laying flowers for some dead friends) and is still in hospital now with one leg amputated and with the other possibly going too.

Both drivers were sober. The one who caused the death is fighting tooth and nail that the lights were green and the one who struck my cousin and her friends is saying 'he doesn't know who was driving the car'.

So really, drunk or otherwise people can always justify a good reason.

 

THIRDED!

 

Not sure about advocating for zero tolerance, because of the implications of driving the 'morning after'. It wouldn't bother me though if there was zero tolerance or if the limit was lowered.

I think harsher penalties should be levied, especially for those involved in accidents.

Haven't voted as there's not an option I can vote for

 

Oh and as for driving in the morning, there are testers out there so there's not much of an excuse.

 

Was this on the national news a couple of months ago? I think i remember hearing something about that

How is she?

 

I voted "The Laws are ecceptable now"

BUT there should be a 5th option -

"The Laws are acceptable now BUT the penalties for significant amounts over the limit should be increased massively [7 years +]"

 

Yep that was it. Happened in Edmonton, she's called Chelsea Warner. The last update we had was that one leg had been removed and the other looked like a 'lump of beef' which she doesn't have any feeling in.

 

Aww the poor thing.. send my love!

Personally i think the whole british justice system is a joke (waits to get shouted at again)

 

it was to do with the fact you thought it was fine because you were within the limit. there was now way you could be certain of being under because you can react differently every time you drink alcohol. we could go round in circles for ages but dont feel like you're being singled out ebcause i called the thread starter a fuckin nobend too

 

That's the option I would vote for.

 

...i would never want to crash sober ROFL

 

Cheers Gem.

I do wonder though how many of you sober drivers tear it up and down 30mph roads?

Cos drunk or otherwise it's still very wrong and very dangerous. It is hypocrytical to call one person a dangerous driver for drinking and drivign when others think nothing of doing a quik burst of 60 in a 30.

 

How are they now? There was talk when they first came out about accuracy, and aren't they also quite expensive? And before anyone starts on how valuable is human life.... You add up what one of those every morning after you've had even just one drink, or your Mum's sherry trifle, will cost over the course of a year.

All because the PC clan is jumping on the bandwagon for Zero drinking when it doesn't work anyway... (See Azareals post from earlier.)

 

I think the laws are acceptable as they are but personally if i go out and I'm driving i don't touch a drop because by the end of the night tiredness and a little tipsy isn't a good thing behind the wheel of a car.

 

There were those one off ones in the little boxes that were exceptionally pants. My dad got me one about a year or so ago from the tinternet and that works great. It is also a great deterrent for mates who drink drive, just to show them that they are over.

 

Nothing to with pc clans, it IS dangerous, and as said testers can be brought, so if u the type person that drinks heavy at night and wants to drive in the morning (will also add that on a few pf piss ups, it has been stated that people left early in the morning ) they should make sure, as as is now they are happy they aint drunk, but could still be over the limit, but of course that is in no way gonna affect their driving ability

Zero for me, and if u gotta a problem get a tester to make sure

Also is interesting that in the vote either Zero or as it is now are the two way ahead and dead level suggesting more or less to camps on this, NO drink should be allowed OR I want to drive with just a little bit of alcohol in my blood cos that legal so does not affect my driving

I just cant grasp the fact that the law allows so little but people want to push it to them limits, withit being so little I cant see the necessity


Steve

 

Cola, so it's re-usable? How much? That sounds like a better idea...

 

I dont quite agree with the poll option but the last one best fitted what I think. I think the punishment should be ammended to have a scale to the offence, Ie..

35mg..40mg No Ban, fined Ł1000 and placed on probation for 10 years
40-45mg, Mandatory Ban of 12 months and Ł2000 fine
45mg-50mg, 2 year ban, Ł2500 fine
50mg+ 10 year ban and Ł5000 fine.

Anyone caught driving whilst banned should have the car crushed and banned for life, 2nd offence car crushed again and 6 months jail time. If we clamp down hard we will erradicate this problem, the people who genuinely make a mistake you find are very close to limit and will be treated as its a mistake (only once though) and the severe drink drivers and multiple offenders will be treated harsh.

Cola, you hit it spot on with 60mph in a 30mph.

 

Steve, it is indeed. I'll ask Dad where he got it from and let you know

Tony, good plan with the car crushing... but all that will happen is people will buy Ł50 quid deathtraps to take to the pub.

 

DD is dangerous, no disputing that - but Zero tolerance in NOT the way to stop people doing it. IT DOESN'T WORK.

We've mentioned education, perhaps there needs to be more random tests, but at the current limit, to target the people that think they can get away with it.

That will also have a knock on effect that if you see people all around you banned, that *should* make you think twice.

 

A medical fact is that you can't have a zero level of alcohol as the body will naturally register a small reading.
But driving is hazardous enough without slowing down the reactions. No drinking within 24 hours of driving, if it is good enough for pilots, it is good enough for drivers.

 

Yeah Cola, but then if reoffence becomes apparent or they are severely over the limit they are getting punished harder than they would now. You will never stop a career criminal breaking the law even if 36mg carried a 5 year sentence.