ian_evs2003

im thinking of goin on my first cycle but not shure witch one to do, and witch one would be the best for gaining strenth and a bit of mas,, there so many out there i dont no witch ones to use.. any help?

Ollie.

Something like 5 weeks of test and equibol is a good starter. Just 2ml of each twice a week. Then get some HCG for PCT.

snedboy

I take it with test you mean test prop as it takes most people about 4 weeks before they start seeing a difference shape wise and strenght wise and only prop would yeald quick enough results in such a short space of time.If you dont mind needles go with above

Personally for a first time cycler ide say going with test Cyp or Enan for 10 weeks would be ideal running it at 500mg per week you could get away with 1 shot per week if needle shy or 2 shots per week if you'de rather spkit the dosage to keep levels in blood etc more stable (better option).You could maybe add in Dbol @ 30mg per day aswell for first 4 weeks as a kickstart to cycle

Depends what you want to do to your body shape wise etc aswell and if your bulking or cutting.Also need age,weight,height and ideally a days eating plan before i could personally advice further

Ollie.

I was thinking more of a general test like 300 or 350 etc... for a first timer the course you suggested is awful long. IMO of course.

ian_evs2003

ye cheers for that guys, ill look up cyp and enan later,,, im 22, and i weigh 72 kg,, and my hight is 5 ft 7, my diet aint the best probably due to working away from home,,

Ollie.

Get your diet sorted first before trying gear otherwise you'll be wasting your time.

snedboy

Exactly.Not ready for the benefits of AAS yet as diet is probably away to shit

kiddie

What about a simple Dbol cycle?

30mg a day for 6 weeks.

Also as Ollie & Snedboy, you need to be eating properly!

JamboRS

what would u's recommend as a good diet while on it

ian_evs2003

ye ive read a bit about dbol,, 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off,,, but they never say haw long is the durantion you can take em..

vroomtshh

What are you trying to do, and it'll help someone give you a diet.

to the OP, do a lot lot more research before you start anything. I've been training for 10 years on and off. I'm currently back in the gym for 8 months now. Got my diet almost perfect for me, my training is going well as can be, and I reckon I'm a good 8-10 months away from needing anything else.

I've thought about it recently but TBH the more I thought about it, the more I realised I didnt need to.

From your stats above, I;m guessing you want the 'quick fix' and its not really the way to do it.

snedboy

Thats wrong straight away should be 6 weeks on 3 weeks PCT then 9 weeks off

You seriously need to sort diet and training out as your just wanting a quick fix and people who do it this way end up back at square 1 or worse once off and they dont know how to adjust diet to keep gains or even keep gaining

fabbio

What i would say is try a sus and deca for the first course for initial set up, what my thoughts are is that gaining size should not be rushed especially comprimising quality muscle and attracting peoples suspisions that yr on the gear......Im not a fan of Cyp Winstrol or Verimon these can cause spots and lack of sex drive... clomid can sort that though
Stack Trenbolone and Deca this builds good muscle and i find no spots, dbol can still be taken but drink plenty of water to flush the liver, this cycle for 6 weeks about. This is not advise mate just what i have experienced one way or another, only my thoughts.
Diet is important, food is fuel....
RESEARCH EVERYTHING YOU STICK IN YRSEN

kiddie

Tren and deca for a first cycle!!! WTF

To the OP, get over onto muscletalk and have a good read mate. You will find all the info you want and more on there.

fabbio

where does it say to start off tren and deca......... read mate

kiddie

Sorry mate it doesn't.

fabbio

dont mean to be blasé about the subject, im open to critisism kiddie just the experience of which ive had, my knowledge is limited but theres some good advice from you and other guys on here as before ian evs2003 just my thoughts

Ollie.

IMO sus and deca is the normal suggestion for a first cycle but is terrible. Blow you up wike a baloon full of water then lose it all just as quickly. Also deca fucks your sex drive too.

snedboy

Remember evryone is different to each med.Im like a raging bull on Deca,constant hard on but Test alone im no different to normal,lower sex drive if anything!!

First time cycling should be a simple 1 med cycle cause if you start stacking too soon not only will you then need stronger and more meds to gain well you will also not know what reacts badly with you when stacking

Most people start with dbol cycle then dbol and test then dbol,test and deca and so forth

Entirely up to OP but ide recommend looking at diet and training regime first,and possibly post it for crituque from others,then take things from there but you prob wont do that and jump on a cycle of god knows what then were gonna have to give advise on how to sort this problem,thats happening etc etc etc

Think about it wisely m8

vroomtshh

At 5ft 7 and 72kg, I think thats the best advice your gonna get. Everyone knows to get real big, you'll need gear eventually. But you've got 20 natural kg (IMO) to put on first

JamboRS

am not trying to do anythin mate,am happy growing naturally for the time being,just interested what a good diet consists of when on it.

snedboy

What he means is are you trying to cut or are you bulking

If your bulking then basically food,food and more food.If your cutting then protein,protein and more protein.Aslong as you stick to the basic of eating every 2 hrs and good food not shite,sleep atleast 8hrs a night then your gonna do well aslong as training is down