ted11

For those of you that are interested in paint restoration and Detailing, this was the first of a series of videos that where done following the attempt at making this car look reasonable without having to have a full respray.
This car had been lovingly restored by another Ford enthusiast and to be fair to him he had done an excellent job rebuilding it to a very good level, that is, until it came to painting it, my guess would be that, funds had run out so decided that himself and his guide dog would paint it themselves, the current owner, did not want to have the car stripped and re painted but also did not want to take it along to car meetings looking as it did.
I did a series of videos during this detail, this one being the first, if there is any interest in this vid I will post a new one each week.
All the Best
ted

visa_broke

I'm interested to see how you get on with this.

ted11

Thanks for the interest, I have had a lot of views over the last couple of hours but you are the only one who has showed interest by leaving a comment, if I get 5 more comments today I will post the next video, thanks for taking the time to comment.

MK3MATTS1

ted11

Thanks, yes lots of work ahead wet flatting, all the tricks of the trade will go into this, our sister company is a body shop and I personally have worked around paint and restored cars for over 40 years so I would hope to have learned quit a bit in that time, the detailing side came from show prepping concourse cars for other people and cars that we have built over a number of years, we cant always save some bad paint jobs and they would be re painted but we always try to save peoples money as we are working class the same as they are. I sincerely hope that you enjoy this series although being over 60 years old and just started trying to share these things on video they are a bit unprofessional but the information and techniques are what I aim to share before retirement takes over lol.

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

keep the vids coming mate

ted11

Since you lads have been nice enough to encourage my stupidity {I should know better at my age} I will post episode 2 of the series that I made of this job, you are welcome to criticize my methods if you have a valid point to make as even at my age you can still learn new tricks, I welcome questions about any part of restoration or car detailing as sharing and passing on my knowledge is the main reason that I have started this social media melarkie, the second reason is that as my lads are not interested in taking over, I have to keep going until my Grandson is old enough, so this new interweb stuff has given me a kick of enthusiasm, as does you fellow car enthusiasts, taking an interest.
If when you follow the link to youtube if you could hit the subscribe button it would be appreciated.
Enjoy Episode 2

ted11

Comment if you are ready for the next video

stwibs

Keep them coming

ted11

Episode 3
As episode 3 is so boring, I will give you a bonus, another boring episode 4 lol

ted11

Message to self, sound a bit more upbeat when doing videos, just re watched these and I sound so miserable, I am normally very upbeat and happy so must have been the nerves being on film lol.
Feel free to leave opinions on how I can improve my vids but bear in mind that I am new to this, but I do not want to be scripted but rather just be natural, I am not trying to be prim and proper I am just trying to share the techniques that I use when trying to save or create a great finish.
You can see by the state this car arrived in, that I would never be able to create a concourse finish on it {which is what I specialize in } but some times a save of something like this is more satisfying than improving the finish on a new car that does not have these sort of defects.
The owner of this car had been to 3 different detailers that told him there was nothing that could be done, you chaps will have to make your own minds up at the end of the series whether I was silly to try.

ted11

Episode 5 and 6

Ignore my brother with his Ekky 2000 comment, he has had the piss took out of him hundreds of times for it, especially since he used to be a Ford breaker back in the day, also please notice how much younger I look compared with my baby brother lol.
thanks for watching the vids, but I am amazed at the lack of comments that are being left, if you are enjoying the vids please tell me, if you dont like them tell me, ask questions about car detailing, I am happy to give my opinion on anything.

Gernster

Interesting stuff mate. My query is about how you ensure you dont a) sand down too far when wet sanding the 1,000 and how you ensure you dont burn through the paint, especially on the edge of panels? Do you measure the paint thickness somehow?

I know a few paint shops who do cheap paintwork and generally subscribe to the ethos of just whacking the paint on nice and thick and then getting finish by buffing it off. Would you agree that as long as the paint is deep enough you can sand/buff back to a proffesional finish?

ted11

Great question my Friend, under normal circumstances we would use our paint gauges but once a car has been re painted this rely renders them useless because with multi layers of paint its impossible to work out how many microns of clear cote are on the car, as was the case on this car, this is when having years of experience with automotive paints from my restoration and show prep business, my experience goes back to when cars where painted with cellulose paints and I still work on collections that include this paint today, so getting back on track, we first inspect the imperfections that sit in the paint and try to determine if they would either flat down level or flat out completely this said that there is no guarantee that you will not flat or polish through { I do have a video showing what can happen when you chase a mirror finish }, in most cases the owner of the car is in the position where he is advised that the car would rely need a full respray, he would then have to decide if he would want to take the chance at trying to rescue what is already on the car and understand that there is always the possibility of going through the paint.
This car had been built rely well and would justify having a good re spray, but quality resprays are very labour intensive and so very expensive, so the cars owner decided that it we would have a go at making the car look reasonable, it was explained that it would never be any where near a perfect finished car but I felt that I could probably get it looking reasonable but would never be to the level that I could normally achieve but at the same time I relished the challenge that the car presented giving an opportunity to use skills that lie dormant for most of the cars that I work on.
The second part of your question concerning laying loads of paint on the car so that it can be worked back to a finish, my opinion is, that if a body shop is using this method, you would have to ask the question, is the other parts of the repair any good, anyone who works using this mindset, should not be painting a car, there is a different mindset when painting a car, if you are working on a wing that has to be a close finish match to the adjoining panel, a good painter would know how to set his gun and air pressure also technique to get a finish close to a match knowing that a little polishing between these panels would be very close , if you where painting a car that is going to be a show car and needed extra Coates of clear cote, it would not be just put on thicker in less coats but would have 5 or more controlled Coates of clear cote applied and not puddled on {this would leave a very un natural finish when polished} and believe it or not having an orange peel finish does not necessarily mean there is lots of room for flatting and polishing.
Having lots of orange peel on todays factory painted cars means paint shops and detailers have to be very careful during flatting and polishing these finishes and paint thickness will continuously be measured during the flatting and polishing stages, this is because the manufacturers are trying to build cars without wastage of product, they know exactly how many grams of paint and lacquer are needed to adequately cover a car and are not going to give much more than needed. I hope this helps to answer your question, but trying to type an answer, rather than stand in a paint shop where we could actually show you is quit difficult but I hope I have given you some idea of our thinking, when we are facing a panel that needs some love.

ted11

Episode 7

Gernster

Yep, really useful mate and the videos are great. I buy a lot of accident damaged stuff 4 or 5 years old and have a guy who does me a good job for the money and gets a decent colour match- i can sometimes tell its not perfect but your average joe blog punter cant 😎 depending on what colour we are talking ( he hates silver or grey) he will either just do edge to edge (i.e. paint the panel only) or will blow the new colour into the doors/ bonnet etc to hide any colour match differences. He always compounds them down to get a decent finish and he doenst clear coat them thats for sure!! I remember the old cellulose paint days, it was good stuff!!

I agree that if you are doing laquer over base then the base coat has to be right! and on the subject of new cars, someone i know bought a brand new kia sportage ,18 plate and the orange peel effect on the paint was so bad i was convinced the wings had been painted again, it was shocking!!!

ted11

I am glad you are enjoying the videos, there are plenty of skilled people out there, you just have to find them, I am lucky that I have a great network of skilled people within 50 yards of my shop including some of the best diagnostic technicians in Birmingham that have more than fair pricing structures so we can cater for virtually every aspect of car repairs.
I personally am just finishing two 60s Mercedes Pagoda restorations, once complete I will only be doing the detailing as the work is a little easier on my old hands lol.
I have plenty of these type of videos but unfortunately not many are Fords, so I dont think that it would be allowed on this forum, I have always been a Ford man at heart and have been a member here for many years watching some of the great build projects that have been and still been done and found it a great place to inspire me.

ted11

Episode 8

ted11

episode 9

ted11

Is anyone actually watching these videos, want more, leave comment.

Gernster

Interesting to see the application of tape to protect the edges (and decals) what type/make is the tape?

Its really refreshing to see the quality of workmanship in this day and age mate. Guessing this has been a Ł1500 plus job but like you say, a respray would be 2k plus without the detailing on top. Im.sure the customer will be chuffed to bits.

ted11

3m detailing tape, some concourse paint jobs can reach upto 20k these days, but just a good respray that would include full windows out, strip down and bare metal preparation, epoxy coat x2 block flatting twice, then the first 4 coats of paint again wet flatted, more paint and minimum 5 coats of lacquer, then block flat, 5 stage machine polish, refit all glass and trim, without any major rust repairs would easily exceed 5k, this is what it would take to build a show winning car paint job, if you have seen Retropowers Gorgon Murray Escort build, I would guess that it will be about 150k when finished, this doeas include all the mechanical work as well though, but with most good shops now charging upwards of Ł50 per hour labor, its not hard to see why the builds are so costly.
Since it looks like you are the only one watching these vids, here is Episode 10

Gernster

Ha, yes sorry, i meant 2k assuming (i) stripped the car out and did the basic prep and i put it back together after!

Message boards are.pretty quiet nowadays, everyone is on facebook!

ted11

Well This is the last episode in the series, I may have a short video of the car as it was being collected, if I can find it I will post it.
A big thanks to those who have watched these videos and a very grateful thanks to those that have taken the time to leave a comment.
I do have more videos but not Fords and I would not want to upset the admin, hopefully I will have more Fords in the future that I will gladly share with you as I do them.
Cheers all
Ted11

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MK3MATTS1

ted11

This was my only opportunity to film the car outside but unfortunately the weather was playing havoc at the time of collection this caused condensation to cover the car once it came out of the warm workshop and into the cold and damp weather.

Gernster

Was the owner impressed/ happy with your efforts??

ted11

more than happy, at least he could use it for a few meets without people slagging it down for its atrocious finish, dont get me wrong, it was not to the usual standards that I specialize in, and if it wasnt for the fact that I had polished the rest of his Ford collection, I probably would not have taken it on, but it was nice to use some of the skills that I have gained over the years to save a car, rather than having near perfect paint to start with, if the car had a little more lacquer to play with, I could have got it a lot better but you can only do so much with what you have in front of you.
Mind you I had this car delivered and you would not believe what I had to deal with

Gernster

Ill subscribe to your you tube channel!

t230

wowzers - did you take it right back with 1000? wet or dry?

ted11

I flatted each panel first with 1000 grit wet then 3000 wet, its very rare that I dry flat, even when I use a DA with Trizact discs I constantly wash the surface and sander to cut down any sand buildup under the pad as this buildup will create pigtails that require even more flatting to remove, I am lucky that I do not give myself any time restraints during my big details, so I can spend more time concentrating on not creating more work than necessary, of course it does not always go to plan but I do my utmost not to create more flatting as I will need as much paint/clearcote left on the panels so that there is enough left for the multi stage polishing.
There is a video on my channel showing what can go wrong and how I deal with it.

t230

OK i apologise for the dumb question - so for example can you correct paint where say the wings bonnet and bumper sprayed by three different guide dogs can be matched to the rest of the car?

ted11

If they have been painted in the same colour and there is enough paint tto work with then yes, some times I would also polish all the adjoining panels to make sure the finish is all the same, metallic finishes are governed by how the painter has matched the paint correctly, not just the colour but the way the fleck sits, no amount of polishing can fix a difference in colour or technique.