Get your tongue out of Rods bum.... ...... I made a mistake and stated it was 4th gear NOT THIRD.

I don't like them myself, why would i big them up? > LOL

iv got a mk5 zs thats currently off the road, and even when it was, Vtr's were always left for dust when the opportunity arose .

MUCH better car than the Vtr. in probably every way. Only thing i think the Vtr wins on... is the fact that it has rear disc brakes.

The Vts may be faster than both, but i'd still rather own a fiesta. Such a reliable car, never had 1 single problem with either of the ones iv owned apart from tyres and the obvious servicing parts for good measure.

Owned a zs for nearly 2 years now, and its faultless and so much fun.