Ade

Anyone ever tried chucking silly amounts of boost through the old 1800 TD lump?
I remember a crazy drag Fiesta doing exactly this in Malta years ago, no others though.

I've been offered a real clean and cheap TD Saph, and that got my mind ticking

alexno1dj

Yeah, im currently doing this with an escort van, with the Tdi engine, 165 bhp is quite easily achieveable, increase turbo to 18-20 psi (maximum it will take) and increase the fuel pressure on the fuel pump.

Both jobs are fairly straight forward and make a good start to increasing power.

I think you need to go down the intercooled route for 150bhp + .
Nice thing is, there isnt any ecu to worry about as the fuel pump is mechanical. K&N 57i near to turbo as poss also helps.

tabetha

N2O works fantastic on diesels, as the componenets are so much stronger, easily get another 100bhp.
tabetha

Ade

Cool...... but I was thinking more like are they capable of several hundred BHP?

A big cooler and a T34, or even some huge truck turbo?! I know they can't survive on big boost petrol engines..... but seen as how it's a diesel anyway might work?!

fraser9764

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you will need the extra fuel to go with a huge turbo, not sure how much the standard pump will be able to give, and i wouldnt want to start messing about changing pumps.
plus you will need to uprate however much other stuff to cope with big boost, rods, crank etc.
would be a waste of time and money tbh

ford addict

hi mate over here in malta we have quite a few which are used as road cars.a friend of mine has one fitted with a t4 turbo,uprated intercooler,and modified diesel pump.its on a mk2 fiesta with 30 psi and its such a wild ride smashing integras all day long!!!!!!

cosrep

I think about 180-190bhp is the max with the standard pump as it can't supply any more fuel after that.

ford addict

i dont think youd get 180 brake wiyh a standard pump cause its rubbish when you start increasing the boost,you need to modify the plunger and other internals to get proper fuel supply.

alexno1dj

i dissagree, getting more power than standard out of older diesels is even easier than petrol engines, especially if the pump is mechanical.

However, i think anymore than 170bhp out of the 1.8 would be difficult, and require alot more work.

stevieturbo

There are a few in Malta...here is a Mk1 Escort, with a 1.6 apparently !!!

Never did get to see under the bonnet though. The Green fiesta has a Cossie engine now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMRoiQ34WD8

Ade

Nice! Any idea of power outputs? Any other mods done apart from the above?

Swap to a different pump from something else?

Would it be that difficult though? Diesels are often very strong internally after all....... big turbo, cooler and more fuel.... plus....?

ford addict

just leave the internals ,my friend hasen t even changed the head gasket,maybe its just luck but that s it.he has a t 4 ,some modifications to the pump using parts such as the plunger from a transit 2.5 di engine and a proper front mounted intercooler.it sounds like a tractor but it really goes.regarding the mk1 escort mentioned before it really is a 1.6 but the internals have been uprated and its got a proper gearbox and diff.

Ade

Cool. Any guesses on power figures? Or even a 1/4 mile time?

Could you not just use the whole pump from the 2.5?

ford addict

i don t have any power figures but the mark one ran 11.2 and the fiesta ran 13.3.If i am not mistaken you can t use the pump from a 2.5 but believe me you will impress yourself with the power they deliver.you might aswell top it off with nitrous,we do use it over here on road cars.

Ade

hahaha! That's awesome!

Low 13s in a Fiesta must mean it's putting out near 300BHP..... and all from a worthless ancient standard diesel with a big turbo bolted on!

That kinda stuff really impresses me..... I want one!

ford addict

come over to malta we ll give you a ride!!!!!!!i haven t got a clue of the power output but during the first few runs it used to destroy gearboxes as if they were made of jelly

Ade

You never know I might!

I was out late last summer working with Classic Ford magazine, was a great trip.
Only saw a couple of diesel Seats on the strip..... as well as the insane trucks

WongRS

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i used to run a 205 with a 1.9 dturbo in it, was great fun, i loved how it made its power, was just too unreliable though







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsBHwxoVKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H66mS33__r4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d2-95eQq0I

Pump as far as it would go, 22 psi of boost.
Would embaress 1.9 gti's guess it was 120-130 bho, 200+ ft ib.

akafelixxe

what can i do with 1.8 td ford engine.
im come form portugal and i have the engine to put on fiesta mk2 van.
but i want more power. i put ic on the front and the turbo is the original.
want to make it fast and beauty.
please help me people

bailey1981

Anyone have anymore info on power figures achieved from the 1.8td

i have a old td intercooled (non pats) to drop in my van very soon
i know the standard cooler pump injectors etc
will put a smile on most faces once the boost fuel & max fuel are tweeked & then adjust actuator rod on turbo for more boost
(i had a old hatch 5yrs sgo & did these mods & used to leave lots of newer & more expensive cars at the lights with embarraced owners :-D )

Does anyone do a f/m intercooler kit for them ?

& any idea what sort of n2o level a healthy engine would take before it got destroyed

id only use it if i was going up a strip or at a car cruise etc not everyday

what turbos will fit the standard exhaust manifold ?

& is it true what i been told,
That a erst manifold & turbo will fit
is a rst turbo much bigger than the td item ?

All info greatly apreciated
cheers

gouch1

ive seen people use saab front mounted intercoolers before

zippyobrien

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A Rs turbo and fanny mild won't fit.

Later turbo from focus tdci does though and are available as a hybrid ( fitted one last week )

Piper sell a cam kit ( will let you rev it a bit higher with pump mods )
Any intercooler can be cobbled to fit. Or run water / meth injection.

I've seen one with a home ported head and a boost rise on standard pump and ic and that's as quick as my puma engined fiesta all day long.

clarke5700

I do love a diesal

Bailes1992

Be hard work. The 1.9 XUD's have been tuned for years and only latley are people hitting 200bhp.
It's less about running massive boost and more about flow of air.
You may be able to run 45psi but unless the air can get in and out smoothly and easilly it will all be wasted.
Then there's the fuel, the lucas pump these engines come with are abit crap. Great for a stage one tune, but the drivebility(spelling?) will be massively different with a Bosch pump.

Now I think these engines run about 14psi standard?
I'd personally fit a boost gauge and see if it's running said boost first, if it's not then you will need to find out why. You need to look for boost leaks and get it running at it's full potencial, otherwise any tuning will be a waste.

Now I reckon with 18psi, nice open air filter and a decat with a good pump setup you will get 110-120bhp.
Just as a reference my 406 running 22psi, veg oil mixed with two stroke oil, advanced fueling, panel filter, decat and a good pump setup quite happily stuck on the tail end of a Mondeo TDCi 130. Not bad for a 90bhp motor standard.

I think if you were to aim for 150bhp you'd be looking for ~30psi. The lucas pump will struggle to fuel this and maintain drivability. It will do it no doubt, but running a bosch pump would make it a much nicer drive.
You'd have to start looking at getting a bosch pump on there, if these engines didnt come with a bosch pump as standard you will have to look for a custom pully made up.
Then you'd have to look into injectors, peugeot ones would probably work well but not sure if they would be a straight swap, and then theres the fuel lines that would have to be sorted.

Anything more than 150bhp and you'd need to look into removing the governor from the pump, and if you have a bosch retrofitted, you need to have a 10mm/11mm head fitted to supply more fuel. Problem with running such a big heads is that you will get horrible off boost smoke low down.
Saying that there is a guy over on TDOC that runs 210bhp on a 9mm head!

Dropping compression isn't really am option as you will never get it started without something to force air into the engine while cranking.

Search for a guy called darrenjlobb He made massive BHP by dropping the compression and running a supercharger which was fed by a turbo.


All that and it only made about 250bhp! But... it's still an awesome achivement and a legendary engine!
So as you can see... dam sight harder than just turning the turbo and the fueling up

cossie891

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Guys I am getting a 1990 sierra saph 1.8td can I get more power out of that?

Bailes1992

No noway in hell! Ford tunes these to there absolute optimum and even 1bhp more will cause them to blow up in a cloud of fairy dust

cossie891

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From what is said on here it sounds possible or have I got the wrong diesel engine

Bailes1992

All 1800cc are lynx engines.

The TDCi lumps are common rail direct injection. Could be another tuning opion if you could find injectors that could fit the DI head with the right break pressure for the fuel pump.

Bailes1992

Right the Focus 1.8TDDi uses a Bosch VP pump.
I don't know much about fittings and pullys but I suspect you may be able to use a Focus pully and bracket to fit a Bosch VE pump on the 1.8TD.

forevaford

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iv got a t reg mondeo 1.8td, iv turned the pump up a 1/4 a turn, (it smokes quiet a bit now), took the governer screw off so it revs upto 5000rpm ish, turned the boost from 13psi to 20psi,
my evaluation of it ; it feels like it has about 4bhp more (basically no difference, just more smoke) but i must say it dous drive a lot nicer, earlier turbo spool and a nice throttle responce. but for example my quarter mile time would be verry simmilar. i used to get 450 miles per tank, now i get 380 ish

forevaford

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oh i also decatted it, back box has fell off aswell, k and n air filter, and injection timing advanved (just before it dets)

zippyobrien

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That's bollocks mate. It's the same essential engine as a focus tddi and can take a healthy boost rise. As said. Piper make a cam, and with a bit of port enlarging and a bigger turbo they can produce the figures.

cossie891

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What power can I get for little out going just for now

landaqmabba

depends on where you re going to use it cause if it s for circuits don t put a big turbo as the lag will slow you down and anti lags for deisel are harder to fit. for cheap make sure you have a bosch distribution pump, open up the deisel and give it more boost and it ll get faster, 2 friends of mine had a fiesta each both 1.8 turbos they rekitted the turbo to t2.8 and ran on 40 psi boost!

landaqmabba

if you want more you can modify the pump internals, increase the pipe diameter (from pump to nozzles) , increase the nozzle size, camshafts, port the head maybe find bigger valves if possible ect.... but it s definetly cheaper than petrol

an also relativley cheap (compared to power gains) is when water injection aaaaaa team black smoke use it on their merc drift car i forgot the name of the brand but on black smoke s site you ll find it. i haven t seen it in real life but manufacturers claim it gives you more power and tourqe, less emissions (which you ll need) and less fuel consumption.

i had a fiesta which had an rst engine but due to consumption i converted to 1.8 deisel to which later i added a turbo. i gave it full boost and it ran for over a year it wasn t as quick as the preivious engine but it was good and fun (too bad i forgot to stiffen the car and ended up with chassis damage .....

anyway if you re interested in modifiying your deisel and have a hard time finding parts or need some tips feel free to contact me i m maltese and around here we have parts for most deisel engines and you can see a deisel engine (mostly ford toyota and isuzu) on almost any car i m thinking about converting my mk4 cortina to an 1.8 td cause it s cheaper then petrol (both to tune and run) at least here

cossie891

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Nice I want it to use on the road as a every day car

J.R.Solutions_82

i used to drive an escort mk6 saloon 1.8 td non intercooler, when changing the clutch i had the turbo off of the car and decided to wind on some preload on the actuator - after showing it to a mate who knows a thing or two he advised me how many turns to adjust it (shorten), i then contiued to turn it way past that. after i refitted it the car had a load more power and went v.v.well, also it never had an adverse affect except maybe wanting to pull like a train all the time while on the motor way!!! i sold this car on and it got sold on again, it got a reputation for being a bit quick

davidfox280585

my cavalier td will gladly sit at 125 pushing a tdci the old diesels dont half tram on,i run 22psi with pump turned up on the cav

akafelixxe

ford addict i call you to this post please......
i need help with 1.600 diesel engine like your friend and i already have a turbo on it but the fuel pump...... need some help. i want to know if i can put a 2.5 transit fuel pump on it

bluntys1rsturbo

can anyone make a fool proof guide to tuning the 1.8td intercooled engine that i have in my escort van.

im a bit of a novice when it comes to this engine and would certainly like a bit more poke out of it as it wouldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding lol