zetecbeast

Just got the engine back from the engine shop after I had dropped it off semi built needing a head job!

The spec is as follows

2 litre silvertop engine
Farndon forged conrods
Forged low compression pistons (JE iirc)
Metal headgasket
Block - stripped, cleaned and re-bored to suit the new pistons
Area Six cylinder head job with oversized valves and area six valve springs
Stock cams
New parts throughout the engine inc ACl main bearings etc etc

Here's a few starting pictures









I have most of the other bits, big injectors, Bosch 044 fuel pump etc etc


I discovered this on getting the engine back home....





which I am severely pissed off about, especially seeing as it was expensive work anyway
I can't be 100% it wasn't like that before it went but hey, if you building an engine up you would surely tell the customer the gearbox mount on the sump was cracked?? It looks like it has been dropped to me, but I cant be sure.

I am going to take this up with the engine shop, but is it worth welding this or trying to get a new silvertop 2 litre sump and getting a new oil fitting welded on etc?? talk about backwards steps

jonfoc

Shame about that. I doubt you'll have any redress on them as you've taken it away from them. They claim you did probably.
Where in the mighty Sheffield are you? I'm a Halfway lad myself

zetecbeast

Hmm, yeah quite possibly. If so I will have to take it on the chin and get a new sump or just risk using this one!

I'm from Millhouses mate. I know halfway well

jontysafe

Will be keeping a close eye on this thread.

What gearbox you going to use? What rad and intercooler?

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Should be fun, I built a big spec RWD Zetec turbo, if you need to know anything let me know

And regard the sump; will you even be using that sump in a RWD kit car? Usually have to fit a Raceline sump or similar for something like that.

lacey

Or dry sump lol

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

That's a good point, over 400bhp and I'd be going over to a dry sump.

zetecbeast

Thanks for the input guys. I will defo call upon your knowledge as soon as I am balls deep into it

Focus RS I think mate.
Rads are already in, they are custom ones behind each rear arch but they are a bit manky so I will be replacing them with something suitable.. Not sure on the intercooler but it's decent quality and suitable size.
It was over engineered for the current setup (mocal oil coolers etc). Will post some pictures of it all in the next week or so when I start stripping it down.

A bit of background:

This is how it was/is (although I have done a lot of new wiring on it and put hydraulic struts on the doors, it is mainly stuff that isn't visible)








In the flesh people generally love it... in pictures some love it , some hate it But I love it and always have since I test drove one years ago when I couldn't afford to build it hence why I bought it as a project.

It is currently running a 1.8 silvertop zetec with a turbo conversion on it.
It was dynoed at 240hp on dyno dynamics. I have no idea how as they map on the ecu is not very efficient by all accounts (ahmed bayjoo sorted me a new Pectel T2 when the other one cooked itself).

Anyway, I am basically ripping it all out and starting again, new engine bay loom (I have done the rest of the car), new proper fusebox and relay setup.

Strip the suspension and shotblast, powder coat and replace as required.

I have new wheels to go on it, some billet image split rims I bought ages ago and am going to get polished before they are on.

The engine setup is effectively the same layout as they current one.

The sump should work as its only the same as it what it runs now.

Dry sump is an option I may do but I have already blasted my budget to get to this stage so another £2000?? is not really that tempting. I will be running an oil pressure alarm and if I do blow the engine I will rebuild it with a dry sump

Unless anyone is selling a kit second hand??

Gearbox is currently a ford diesel one. I am going to fit a Focus RS one and suitable clutch, and then get the (right hand) gearchange linkage modified as required.

I'm sure there's a tonne of obstacles on the way. One of them being the exhaust manifold may not quite fit when on the engine, and I may need to get a custom one (crazy cage..!)

zetecbeast

XRT_si - cheers mate I will defo need all the help I can get!!


update/// The sump is getting sorted. Im taking it back to the machine shop who are going to repair it as good as new which is good of them.

jonfoc

Aah Millhouses, I used to live in a apartment opposite Michelle's bar. The good old days. Keep up with the build and updates.

zetecbeast

I remember the place well..!

zetecbeast

anyhow back on topic.... is there any alternative to dry sumping?
From my reading it seems that some people have run 400hp+ with no oil pump failure, but more have had oil pump failure!?

zetecbeast

Oh, and yes, I know the current engine pipework is pretty crude!!! One more reason to rip it all out and redo it properly.

CrOwSoN15

Seems to be pot luck on the oil pumps, as you've said there's some that have run without issues, iirc it's harmonics that do the deed in the end, you can get uprated gears but it's not uncommon uncommon for those to fail too.

zetecbeast

Yes, I'm taking my chances I think for a bit unless an 'affordable dry sump ' option arrives!!

If I get too scared I will go down that route. Likewise if the oil pump fails and I save the engine, I will go dry sump!!

zetecbeast

.double post

lacey

External pump wet sump kit

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Ah, that's why it doesn't need a RWD sump

When you said Dax I immediately thought of a Rush.


Up to 400bhp and a moderate rev limit I'd be happy on a standard oil pump, though Black Tops seems to cope better. Anything over 400bhp is a ticking time bomb, just depends how lucky you are before a catastrophic failure occurs and wipes out the engine IMO!

I've known cars last awhile at 400+bhp but only Black Tops and it will always be on your mind. Failures happen regularly and billet gears do nothing to help it.

Your dry sump alternative is the single stage external oil pump kit by OPI. By far the best thing on the market and if I was doing one agin I wouldn't think twice about ordering one.

Some info about them here:
http://www.burtonpower.com/opi-exter...e-opidsk3.html

lacey

Thank you mate

I also thought Dax rush at first

zetecbeast

That looks a nice kit. They are out of stock for 2 weeks to a month though it says...
Dry sump kits - http://www.burtonpower.com/catalogue...4-page-34.html

For the titan - its 1175+ vat for the 3 stage one... Does anyone know if this comes with everything needed??

I am unsure what to do now loll

lacey

Once you buy the dry sump kit you then need to buy the hoses/ fittings/tank/filter head/cooler and so on
If you dry sump a car for under 2k you have done well

zetecbeast

Ouch
Thanks for the info. I thought a kit might be the complete kit lol.
Evidently not

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

I learnt that the hard way!

A decent tank is £150-250, and the fittings cost around £15-20 each and you need a lot of them! The line costs about £15-20 a metre in the bigger sizes! It soon gets very expensive, I ended up selling my dry sump kit again

zetecbeast

Ouch!!!
Why did you sell the kit again mate?
Are you running without it now?

zetecbeast

Has anyone actually blown a zetec up running a dry sump kit?
At this rate I'm just going to chance it....! If it blows I will put a better engine in.. (not a zetec)

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Yes, I went back to a 400bhp spec and removed the dry sump before I fitted it.

Well no one has blown an oil pump up with a dry sump

As for blowing an engine up, depends which bit as someone has probably had an engine failure somewhere in the world with one.

zetecbeast

I think I may just tone down power desire to 400 hp ish and see how it runs.
If it blows up it's going to get replaced with a YB engine, no doubt at all.

I could have built a YB engine to a slightly lesser spec for what I have spent on this motor !!

CrOwSoN15

I was under the impression these were RWD!

That thing is going to be silly with anywhere near 400bhp.

Do it do it do it.

zetecbeast

It is mate.
Mid engined rear wheel drive
Yeah, it should be pretty rapid with 400.

I have got my eyes on some 1/4 mile action though so it will be slow compared to some real quick cars on there!!

I think it will be an ever evolving project!