opposite lock

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This is looking good .

Rod-Tarry

Started getting the bits for my new Loom from RS Supplies & VWP & have already modified the existing CDI Loom to take into account the different way Emtron fires the coils to Autronic. Waiting now for my front Harmonic balancer & new Pistons both are several weeks away so not much to progress at the mo.

Rod-Tarry

Will be going to RR session tomorrow an Evo running a 9180 will be wound up to 2.5 bar. Should be over 760 on pump maybe as high as 800.
This will be a good indicator of what mine will make although we may push mine harder & use the bigger housing. Will report back on this.
Now im using Emtron the EFR turbo speed sensor can feed direct into the ECU & control the Turbo Speed.

Paul_RS

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What type of sensor is used to measure the turbo speed?

Mark Shead

BW sell there own sensor for the turbo.

Mark

Paul_RS

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I'm just trying to figure out how it can measure something spinning soo fast lol

Mark Shead

The recommended max speed for this turbo is 118000rpm.

Mark

Rod-Tarry

The results of the efr 9180 were awesome the most Powerfull Pump fuel engine from the MAD camp it made as much as mine did on this same rollers on Race Fuel . Im starting a thread in GD to show the graph.

CossieRich

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Rod,

Is that an Evo you are on about? Warren has been keeping me updated with the power of that thing. Bloody MAD

luke89

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rod would this be simons evo you are talking about?

CossieRich

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Luke,

Yes it is. I went on MLR and had a look at the thread this morning. utter MADness lol.

Well done Sheady

Rod-Tarry

The madness is a mod moved that thread to 'Other Marques' so it would not be found easily. Look at GD & see the topics about all types of cars but a thread about a MAD engine cant be allowed in GD . Remember Mark is not a trader on here & never will be . No point complaining about bias mods its a closed shop.
Ive rather lost faith in this site so will leave this thread in limbo while I regroup.

CossieRich

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Rod,

Cheers for pointing that out. I never go in the 'other marque' room. GD seems to be a 'select' place these days.

opposite lock

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Please Rod for the sake of genuine interested followers of this thread and any new comers dont spoil the updates for them because of an issue close but non related to be quite honest mate. . The other thread you mention is just that and is totally seperate from this one surely?
Im sure Ive read comments of yours regarding members on here in frustration over issues on forums and you saying 'its just a forum' etc.
We are here just one time dont spoil the fun.

All the best.

Rod-Tarry

I was annoyed for about 12 hours then thought 'Dont let the Bastards grind you down' .
It wont stop this thread being updated.

Rod-Tarry

Ive taken the Autronic Loom from the Cossie, measured it & drawn the Emtron version onto Auto-cad.

The Diagram is now complete & Ive allocated all the functions we will use at this stage im sure Mark wants lots more but ive decided to get the car running before fitting more functions.
The monitoring of Water Pressue, Turbospeed , Drysump & Sticking Throttle
plus Dry sump & Diagnostic warning lights are new functions as i now have lots of extras on the Emtron. Another 20 input/outputs will terminated on connectors to allow future expansion.
Need the bare looms here now as im geared up to build this new loom but delivery is 3/4 weeks away.

Dont want to get too technical but this list gives the allocation of functions .
Showing Auxillary, Analogue & Digital inputs.

markk

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I would really have expected to see DBW on this by now Rod. Any reason for not using DBW?

Mark Shead

We have never even thought about DBW or adding it. I don't feel the need for it and the ecu does support it.

Mark

markk

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Driveability, idle strategy, cold start, traction control, launch control, all so much easier with DBW

Mark Shead

Unless Rod asks for it I don't feel the need to add it to the list.

Mark

markk

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I am surprised at you mark for not valuing the benefits.

Mark Shead

If asked it would get fitted but I don't feel the need to currently do it whether there is a benefit or not.

Mark

Rod-Tarry

You do put me under pressure to ask . Mark has fitted it to other cars because I wired it up but must admit it has never been muted to go on what is essentially a 25 year old banger .

MikeR

Forgive my ignorance buts whats DBW?

Mike

Mark Shead

Drive by Wire so electric throttle.

Mark

markk

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Hardly 25 year old banger technology though 😉

Keep it up guys😊

SiZT

As I posted in the previous thread or was it the one before?

E-Throttle would allow you (Mark) to implement a rev limiter without the harshness of a fuel/ign cut

Project looks good so far rod when you mentioned so many I/O's I assumed it was an AEM Infinity

Rod-Tarry

Have started to research dbw & lots out there for single throttle bodies but the trend seems to be to stick or return to cable for ITB's.
However my pals at Jenvey do have a multiple body system with a large motor. Its not available at the mo but will be in a few weeks time. I asked if it would fit my application & they said we will make it fit .
They dont make the pedal assy but many do. Im looking for a pedal from an existing car & spent time today with a Sierra pedal & Google images .
Ive bought what looks a good match on ebay for Ł9.50 from a Peugeot 307 if it fits it will work & i will buy a new one .

The Jenvey is different to other systems i looked at.
Will i do this im not yet sure but at least i will know what im not fitting if i decide against it .

.Ross.

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Seem like a ball ache for a Fly By Wire TB.

Would a Mustang electric TB not work? Save on that fancy actuator.

Rod-Tarry

No
I have 4 throttles to control because im using ITB's think the Mustang has a dual set-up.
At this level everything is a ball ache & dont come cheap its just a case of at what point do you say thats as fast as i can afford to go.

.Ross.

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Ha Ha Ha. You have four seperate TB's.

Maybe I should learn to read a little better.

Carry on.

Rod-Tarry

Im now getting to grips with this DBW lark & its very interesting. Now know i need a 6 pin pedal assy not a 4 because safety dictates separate sen. grounds & 5v on modern units. After further talks with Jenvey im on for a good deal they have given me great deals so far & said we will see you right. They have had a unit in a race series last season so its fully tested. They suggested i contact OBP for a pedal solution. Contacted them & have details of a pedal with 6 wire pot so thats another problem solved. Adding up the prices the parts will be less than Ł800 & ive sold Ł900 worth of parts I dont need this week so its not from the cars budget.
It would be nice to know if a YB has been done DBW before im sure it has but dont have any details a look at anyother solution would really help before I decide .

lacey

Ordered my one of these today for my itb,s ( purely for it to blip the throttle on down change lol)

Rod-Tarry

Wont be long now they are changing the material of the gears to improve it.
The Sales guy said 2/3 weeks but Simon wont be drawn he wants it right before he ships any.

SiZT

I'll try and find out which one 2 friends use, it uses a cable to go to the pedal position sensor which would be much easier in terms of keeping your existing pedal. It was off a renault of some sort if memory serves me correctly

Rod-Tarry

Im looking at all pedal solutions at the mo so any info will help Thanks.

markk

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Rod, my car has had DBW for the last 3 years, you dont need to use 6 wires (2 x pots) at the pedal, but you must have feedback for hystersis if control.

I cant believe its taken so long for others to even look at it.
The throttle control is much better and gives more mappable control strategies.

Rod-Tarry

What pedal do you use that would be a help . Will stay with 6 wire for the redundancy capability although i except Mark can control that elsewhere.

I can believe it . Ive not even thought about it before this week. Mark has done it on other cars & ive wired them in but not on a Cossie .
My old girl is still a 25 year old Ford that happens to go fast never thought of putting up to date functions on it please remember the driver is an old fart not a young buck .

Will Pedley Racing

Rod,

Just be careful with some of the French manufacturers (Citroen/Peugeot), they have a habit of using inductive sensors rather than linear pots on the pedal position sensors.

I found that the VAG range offer some good solutions. Alternatively, AP Racing have recently released a DBW pedal box with an integral PPS if the project extends to braking system revisions.

Will Pedley Racing

Alternatively - I looked at these a while ago, not tried one so can't vouch for them, but might be a consideration if you're struggling:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/p...dal-assemblies