V6 Ka - Remote turbo project - Page 3

doctor stavros · 20-04-2009, 01:18 AM

how much is this experiment costing you?

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Rs Adz · 20-04-2009, 09:23 AM

top project loved the mag feature keep up the good work

Shonky · 20-04-2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doctor stavros

how much is this experiment costing you?

Excluding the turbo and external wastegate I already had I'll be in for about £350 finished, it would have been more like £300 if I wasn't running two pipes down the car

Shonky · 20-04-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rs Adz

top project loved the mag feature keep up the good work

Cheers

Shonky · 20-04-2009, 12:37 PM

This mornings work.... removed the backbox and mocked up the pipe to the turbo, I'll get the pipe welded to the t3 flange so I can remove it if necessary.

Also positioned the silencer, sticking out of the boot is a strong look lol

jeans43 · 20-04-2009, 12:45 PM

One question whats with the red bonnet? haha

jikay · 20-04-2009, 12:48 PM

This is absolutely mental!

Can't wait to see it finished!

.Ross. · 20-04-2009, 01:14 PM

Mint Project mate 100% props to you ..

STS do a Rear Mount Turbo setups.

If you have any problems drop them an email .. They are a pretty decent outfit.

http://www.ststurbo.com/home

Sp3no · 20-04-2009, 01:57 PM

Its taken me this time to realise that this lot is going in your boot, for some stupid reason i had it in my head that you had cut a hole and mounted it all in you passenger footwell!! Does not make this any less bonkers though, keep it up

focusrsred · 22-04-2009, 12:27 AM

what are you going to do with cooling? From what I understand, you're just recircing a small amount of oil from a seperate tank? The oil feed not only lubricates the shaft and bearing but is responsible for cooling the turbo core, you'll need an oil cooler.

Shonky · 22-04-2009, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by focusrsred

what are you going to do with cooling? From what I understand, you're just recircing a small amount of oil from a seperate tank? The oil feed not only lubricates the shaft and bearing but is responsible for cooling the turbo core, you'll need an oil cooler.

I'm picking up a power steering cooler this week and routing the hoses to it so they're exposed to aid cooling and give me a bit more capacity, the turbo will see far less temperatures than normal as its in the boot. The turbo is also water cooled so I could use a little water pump I have already and a header tank if necessary

Chip · 22-04-2009, 09:57 AM

On my nova I use a motorcycle rad and an electric water pump on small volume water system to cool the GT35R and it has no problems at all so far.

Shonky · 22-04-2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip

On my nova I use a motorcycle rad and an electric water pump on small volume water system to cool the GT35R and it has no problems at all so far.

Sounds like a plan

Chip · 22-04-2009, 10:11 AM

I use a vw/audi pump, was about 35 quid new IIRC
and a secondhand rad which was about 20 quid

So pennies really in the grand scheme of things.

Shonky · 22-04-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip

I use a vw/audi pump, was about 35 quid new IIRC
and a secondhand rad which was about 20 quid

So pennies really in the grand scheme of things.

Pennies compared to a 35r, spendy compared to a cheap garrett lol

I've got an auxillary water pump from an Omega and there's a motorbike dismantlers nearby, they've got this going for a tenner

I've given the frame to someone who can weld properly along with the boost pipes and flanges etc., I'll hopefully get them back next week then do the oil and boost plumbing

I need to learn how to weld properly, I'd have done it in no time on my own!

Shonky · 22-04-2009, 10:23 AM

Chip, are you going to be doing a remote turbo on something soon?

Zetecfiesta · 22-04-2009, 10:50 AM

thats just mental!!

Chip · 22-04-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shonky

Chip, are you going to be doing a remote turbo on something soon?

Looks like it will probably be july before I start on it, got too many other things on the go till then.

ghigo · 24-04-2009, 10:32 PM

mad but very kool project lol

Shonky · 25-04-2009, 12:33 PM

Unfortunately the turbo setup has got to take a back seat for a month or so, I'm down compression on two cylinders so got to change the motor out, will put a 3 litre back in so I'll be up 40bhp without the turbo

daviddunlop83 · 09-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Good project. Keep the updates coming when you get the new engine

jonnyrsturbo · 09-05-2009, 05:01 PM

updates?

Little-AL · 09-05-2009, 05:25 PM

Yeah come on...surely this should be done now!

Shonky · 09-05-2009, 05:59 PM

The 2.5 will be out today, stripped of all ancillaries, starter, loom etc. ready to go on the 3 litre engine which should be turning up Monday/Tuesday. I've got to re-fit all the ancillaries to the 3 litre, get it back in and put some miles on it ready to drive to FITP on Saturday for the show Sunday, It'll get done but I wish I could get a day off work on it!

All the bits of welding for the turbo stuff that I couldn't do will be coming back from my mate this week at some point so I'll crack on with that after FITP

Shonky · 10-05-2009, 11:30 PM

Engine is out, everything I need bar the flywheel is off, the new engine is supposed to be with me tomorrow evening, hopefully I'll get a couple hours on it tomorrow evening, flat out Tuesday night and get it all in bolted up in the car Wednesday evening and running Thursday evening

jonnyrsturbo · 11-05-2009, 12:19 AM

how much lag will this have?

Shonky · 14-05-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyrsturbo

how much lag will this have?

I have no idea but for now it'll be run on the standard ECU with standard compression so it wont be laggy like a normal turbo car off boost, it'll be the standard N/A engine so won't be different from the way it drives now

Shonky · 14-05-2009, 09:57 AM

The 3 litre turned up yesterday

7pm

10pm with loads of help from my mate and a bit of pizza!

10:05pm, water pump off, looks like the oil cooler is knackered (common problem)

Fizzy T · 14-05-2009, 12:08 PM

Mmm looks like butterscotch angel delight lol

doctor stavros · 14-05-2009, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizzy T

Mmm looks like butterscotch angel delight lol

I thought honey mustard dressing LOL

- Sim - · 14-05-2009, 01:28 PM

lol

man you re mad

can you drive such a car on the street in the uk?

Shonky · 14-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Sim -

lol

man you re mad

can you drive such a car on the street in the uk?

Yes, it's all road legal

teahan · 14-05-2009, 11:05 PM

just one or two things to say, if you go from two 1" pipes to one single pipe, the single pipe would need to be 1 1/2" in diameter for the cross sectional area to remain the same, otherwise the air speed will drop like crazy. work out what size single pipe you need, then the radius squared, divide that number by two and then get the square root of that, that will be the radius of the pipe you need two of.
also by having the pipes outside the engine bay, they will cool the air as it passes through, avoiding the need for any intercooler (in theory on low boost anyway!)
hope i've been helpful, and i know you will succeed

cjwood555 · 15-05-2009, 12:39 AM

...your maths is wrong:

A[single]=2A[twin]=(pi)*(r[single]^2)
A[twin]=((pi)*(r[single]^2))/2 = (pi)*(r[twin]^2)

Therefore,

Sqrt((r[single]^2)/2) = r[twin], quite simply

This is what you've arrived at but have included the working. However, you say diameter, whereas you've actually worked out the radius.

Chris

Shonky · 15-05-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teahan

just one or two things to say, if you go from two 1" pipes to one single pipe, the single pipe would need to be 1 1/2" in diameter for the cross sectional area to remain the same, otherwise the air speed will drop like crazy. work out what size single pipe you need, then pi times the radius squared, divide that number by two and then get the square root of that, that will be the diameter of the pipe you need two of.
also by having the pipes outside the engine bay, they will cool the air as it passes through, avoiding the need for any intercooler (in theory on low boost anyway!)
hope i've been helpful, and i know you will succeed

I know what you're saying 2 x 1" pipes is not the same as 1 x 2" pipe, after thinking about it I worked out the volume of 2 x 1" pipes over a metre etc., what I've ended up doing is running a 2" pipe and a 1" pipe with provision for a valve in it, for now, boost will be going down the 2" pipe, if in the future I find I can use more air I'll open up the 1" pipe too, this means I'm not redesigning everything each time I play with the engine, it also allows me to play around with the air as I still don't know what's going to work for the best lol

Glenn. · 15-05-2009, 08:05 AM

Its getting there slowly mate.I love this project.

Matt Evans · 15-05-2009, 10:11 AM

Totally mad but in a good way mate.

Love the totally unique way of thinking with something like this.

ghigo · 15-05-2009, 10:29 AM

hows it going? also what gearbox are you using i hope its not staying auto

lol

Shonky · 15-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghigo

hows it going? also what gearbox are you using i hope its not staying auto

lol

Don't worry, it's a manual!!

I'll be pulling an all nighter to get it done and hope I don't have any major issues!!

I'm really want to take it to FITP and we're travelling up noon tomorrow lol

massivewangers · 15-05-2009, 11:17 AM

I hope you make it to FITP mate, would love to see it in the metal.

Bonkers, and silly, but I love everything about it!

20-04-2009, 09:23 AM	#82
Rs Adz Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: blackpool Posts: 639 Rep Power: 8	top project loved the mag feature keep up the good work __________________ check my mrk3 escort thread http://passionford.com/forum/showthr...45#post3636445

20-04-2009, 12:37 PM	#85
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	This mornings work.... removed the backbox and mocked up the pipe to the turbo, I'll get the pipe welded to the t3 flange so I can remove it if necessary. Also positioned the silencer, sticking out of the boot is a strong look lol __________________ Last edited by Shonky; 20-04-2009 at 12:45 PM.

20-04-2009, 12:45 PM	#86
jeans43 PassionFord Regular Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Runcorn Posts: 379 Rep Power: 4	One question whats with the red bonnet? haha __________________ Adrian aka AJ

20-04-2009, 12:48 PM	#87
jikay Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	This is absolutely mental! Can't wait to see it finished! __________________

20-04-2009, 01:14 PM	#88
.Ross. Advanced PassionFord User 2008 Ford F-150 Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,909 Rep Power: 4	Mint Project mate 100% props to you .. STS do a Rear Mount Turbo setups. If you have any problems drop them an email .. They are a pretty decent outfit. http://www.ststurbo.com/home __________________ I'm on a roll, it's time to go solo ... Rollin' in my 5.4

20-04-2009, 01:57 PM	#89
Sp3no I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Leicester Posts: 1,185 Rep Power: 5	Its taken me this time to realise that this lot is going in your boot, for some stupid reason i had it in my head that you had cut a hole and mounted it all in you passenger footwell!! Does not make this any less bonkers though, keep it up

22-04-2009, 12:27 AM	#90
focusrsred Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Preston Posts: 66 Rep Power: 6	what are you going to do with cooling? From what I understand, you're just recircing a small amount of oil from a seperate tank? The oil feed not only lubricates the shaft and bearing but is responsible for cooling the turbo core, you'll need an oil cooler.

22-04-2009, 09:57 AM	#92
Chip * Sierra RS Custard * Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 44,575 Rep Power: 51	On my nova I use a motorcycle rad and an electric water pump on small volume water system to cool the GT35R and it has no problems at all so far. __________________ Sometimes its more fun not to care if things make sense, and just do them anyway! Vauxhall Nova, Mid Engined, RWD, 457bhp, Autronic SM4, GT35R, Quaiffe ATB Diff 2.0 16v - DIY Specced, DIY Built, DIY Mapped, DIY Abused www.VauxSport.com

22-04-2009, 10:11 AM	#94
Chip * Sierra RS Custard * Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 44,575 Rep Power: 51	I use a vw/audi pump, was about 35 quid new IIRC and a secondhand rad which was about 20 quid So pennies really in the grand scheme of things. __________________ Sometimes its more fun not to care if things make sense, and just do them anyway! Vauxhall Nova, Mid Engined, RWD, 457bhp, Autronic SM4, GT35R, Quaiffe ATB Diff 2.0 16v - DIY Specced, DIY Built, DIY Mapped, DIY Abused www.VauxSport.com

22-04-2009, 10:23 AM	#96
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	Chip, are you going to be doing a remote turbo on something soon? __________________

22-04-2009, 10:50 AM	#97
Zetecfiesta PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Westhoughton Bolton Posts: 3,930 Rep Power: 11	thats just mental!!

24-04-2009, 10:32 PM	#99
ghigo PassionFord Regular Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: london Posts: 365 Rep Power: 4	mad but very kool project lol

25-04-2009, 12:33 PM	#100
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	Unfortunately the turbo setup has got to take a back seat for a month or so, I'm down compression on two cylinders so got to change the motor out, will put a 3 litre back in so I'll be up 40bhp without the turbo __________________

09-05-2009, 04:36 PM	#101
daviddunlop83 Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (6) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Holywood, N.ireland Posts: 2,126 Rep Power: 10	Good project. Keep the updates coming when you get the new engine

09-05-2009, 05:01 PM	#102
jonnyrsturbo is half man, half amazin' Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: newcastle upon tyne Posts: 2,765 Rep Power: 7	updates?

09-05-2009, 05:25 PM	#103
Little-AL Regular Contributor 2000 Ford Fiesta Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 345 Rep Power: 4	Yeah come on...surely this should be done now!

09-05-2009, 05:59 PM	#104
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	The 2.5 will be out today, stripped of all ancillaries, starter, loom etc. ready to go on the 3 litre engine which should be turning up Monday/Tuesday. I've got to re-fit all the ancillaries to the 3 litre, get it back in and put some miles on it ready to drive to FITP on Saturday for the show Sunday, It'll get done but I wish I could get a day off work on it! All the bits of welding for the turbo stuff that I couldn't do will be coming back from my mate this week at some point so I'll crack on with that after FITP __________________

10-05-2009, 11:30 PM	#105
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	Engine is out, everything I need bar the flywheel is off, the new engine is supposed to be with me tomorrow evening, hopefully I'll get a couple hours on it tomorrow evening, flat out Tuesday night and get it all in bolted up in the car Wednesday evening and running Thursday evening __________________

11-05-2009, 12:19 AM	#106
jonnyrsturbo is half man, half amazin' Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: newcastle upon tyne Posts: 2,765 Rep Power: 7	how much lag will this have?

14-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#108
Shonky V6 Ka of Love Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 427 Rep Power: 8	The 3 litre turned up yesterday 7pm 10pm with loads of help from my mate and a bit of pizza! 10:05pm, water pump off, looks like the oil cooler is knackered (common problem) __________________

14-05-2009, 12:08 PM	#109
Fizzy T I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Boston - Lincolnshire Posts: 124 Rep Power: 6	Mmm looks like butterscotch angel delight lol __________________ XBOX LIVE GamerTag... FIZZY T ZETEC TURBO PROJECT Newbie

14-05-2009, 01:28 PM	#111
- Sim - Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jülich / Germany Posts: 545 Rep Power: 7	lol man you re mad can you drive such a car on the street in the uk? __________________ greetz - Sim - http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221905 German Cosworth Forum www.turbostylez.de

14-05-2009, 11:05 PM	#113
teahan Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2009 Location: ireland Posts: 73 Rep Power: 3	just one or two things to say, if you go from two 1" pipes to one single pipe, the single pipe would need to be 1 1/2" in diameter for the cross sectional area to remain the same, otherwise the air speed will drop like crazy. work out what size single pipe you need, then the radius squared, divide that number by two and then get the square root of that, that will be the radius of the pipe you need two of. also by having the pipes outside the engine bay, they will cool the air as it passes through, avoiding the need for any intercooler (in theory on low boost anyway!) hope i've been helpful, and i know you will succeed Last edited by teahan; 15-05-2009 at 10:13 AM. Reason: rushed maths! thanks cjwood555

15-05-2009, 12:39 AM	#114
cjwood555 Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Solihull Posts: 1,883 Rep Power: 8	...your maths is wrong: A[single]=2A[twin]=(pi)(r[single]^2) A[twin]=((pi)(r[single]^2))/2 = (pi)*(r[twin]^2) Therefore, Sqrt((r[single]^2)/2) = r[twin], quite simply This is what you've arrived at but have included the working. However, you say diameter, whereas you've actually worked out the radius. Chris

15-05-2009, 08:05 AM	#116
Glenn. Professional Waffler Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Darlington county durham Posts: 27,890 Rep Power: 33	Its getting there slowly mate.I love this project. __________________ NORTHEAST/NORTH YORKSHIRE ALL FORD MEET ORGANISER pm for details.

15-05-2009, 10:11 AM	#117
Matt Evans Black Country RSOC Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stourbridge Posts: 2,160 Rep Power: 9	Totally mad but in a good way mate. Love the totally unique way of thinking with something like this. __________________ Visit our local group (Black country) RSOC web site www.bcrsoc.co.uk

15-05-2009, 10:29 AM	#118
ghigo PassionFord Regular Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: london Posts: 365 Rep Power: 4	hows it going? also what gearbox are you using i hope its not staying auto lol

15-05-2009, 11:17 AM	#120
massivewangers PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Stafford Drives: Couple of Fords Posts: 3,699 Rep Power: 10	I hope you make it to FITP mate, would love to see it in the metal. Bonkers, and silly, but I love everything about it! __________________ Q. What's the difference between a Saxo and a porcupine? A. The pricks are on the outside of a porcupine.

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