V6 Ka - Remote turbo project

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by XRT_si Great project and well done for going against the grain. Too many people are quick to put different things down without trying them! Where did you get the wastegate take off/spacer by the way? Cheers I had it on ebay, there's one here but I paid a lot less than that for it a couple of years ago

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[Chip]

Originally Posted by Shonky

Cheers Chip

I have an un-used SMC in the house so you might get roped into mapping the 3 litre that at some point!

Not a problem, SMC is nice and easy to map, im sure it will be ideal for that project

[cris]

hi mate,
someones been reading ppc magazine!
it works on that 205 already mentioned and im not 100% certain but i think a couple of yank tuners have tried it on corvettes
i say give it a go!

[andy escos]

your mad the lag will be horendous by the time you pressurise all that pipe work i,d go nitrous if it was me.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by cris

hi mate,
someones been reading ppc magazine!
it works on that 205 already mentioned and im not 100% certain but i think a couple of yank tuners have tried it on corvettes
i say give it a go!

I hadn't seen the mag but did hear about then found it on the net

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by andy escos

your mad the lag will be horendous by the time you pressurise all that pipe work i,d go nitrous if it was me.

I already have a nitrous kit (although it's not plumbed in) but I want a quick car at all times not just when I remember to fill the bottle and turn it on but it would make a nice accompaniment to the turbo!

The guy with the 205 didn't have any lag, he ran a roller bearing turbo which I'm not but I've got a lot more exhaust gas as it's 6 cylinder driving the turbo, it'll be a case of suck it and see but that really does keep in the spirit of the whole car lol

[Glenn.]

I read about your car in this months performance ford.Will you be going to BnQ for more bits then.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

I read about your car in this months performance ford.Will you be going to BnQ for more bits then.

I went earlier! Got some 25mm mild steel angle to make the frame to mount the pump, tank and turbo in

[Glenn.]

Lol it looks like a really tight squeeze.Is the radiator at the front of the car now.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Lol it looks like a really tight squeeze.Is the radiator at the front of the car now.

It's under the cross member

[Glenn.]

Or so it is.Have you been far in it then and have you upset some people in it.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Or so it is.Have you been far in it then and have you upset some people in it.

I've done a few 150 mile round trips and driven it a lot around the streets

I've upset a few TT's and BMW's, they still have nicer cars though lol

[Shonky]

I've spend a bit of time today making a frame and mocking up where I need to mount things

First cut a hole


Made the start of the frame, bolted it in temporarily then dangled the turbo





2 90° degree silcon bends going through the boot floor will go into the filter




Oil tank and pump dangled roughly in the right area




I've got to get exhaust across into here then back


I should have the turbo exhaust elbow and oil take-off flange from Reyland Tuesday, hopefully I'll get some time on it in the week

[RichieST]

Great stuff mate look forward to updates

[theburns1]

madness! i was just thinking about this today. thinking would it be possible, how would u get the oil to it tho....? and would it have alot of lag?

[stevenebm]

crazy...but i love it.keep cracking on with it mate

[Wolvo-Olie]

[quote=RUSSELLB1904;4039071]I am a big vectra nut and hope you know that turbo'ing the vauxhall v6 won't work at all. The rear bank gets to hot as standard and turbo'ing it will just keep melting the rear bank. The best way to get power from these motors and the cheapest is supercharing it.
quote]

Not bin funny but does it not say in your sig that you drive a turbo'd v6 vectra?

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by theburns1

madness! i was just thinking about this today. thinking would it be possible, how would u get the oil to it tho....? and would it have alot of lag?

I've bought one of these oil scavenge pump (top left in photo) which will take the oil out of that motorbike oil tank (bottom left), the tank will be lower than the turbo for the drain.

Some (if not most) run a pressurised oil feed from the engine to the turbo then use a scavenge pump to return the oil to the sump, this makes for a neat installation as you can just mount the turbo underneath but I'm keeping things separate which means I have to mount the turbo higher in order to have the tank lower than it for the oil to return.

I'm keeping things separate for two reasons, firstly I don't know if the engine's oil pump is up to the job of sending a run up the back (and I don't want to stress is), secondly if the turbo goes proper tits up it won't affect the engine's oil supply

With regards to the lag, of the few write-ups I've found if the turbo is spec'd correctly there won't be any noticeable lag which is true of any turbo build really. I'm starting with 2 x 1" or maybe 1¼ boost pipes from the turbo (for space reasons), I'll only be able to run 6-7psi on my setup for the moment so I'll see how it goes, I will however make room for 3 pipes in the footwell and bulkhead etc. incase I can get away with running more or for when I can turn the boost up and there's always the option of compound charging it with a little t25 to get things moving

I had a random thought last week too, if I could get some kind of drive from a rear wheel I could add a supercharger into the equation but that's a whole other can of stupidity lol

[Chip]

Thats a terrible idea on the charger front, it would be related to wheelspeed not engine rpm, imagine mapping the fucker, lol

[pa_sjo]

Originally Posted by Chip

Thats a terrible idea on the charger front, it would be related to wheelspeed not engine rpm, imagine mapping the fucker, lol

Just use a MAF sensor

[Chip]

Originally Posted by pa_sjo

Just use a MAF sensor

Imagine the amount of boost it would see if you wound the throttle open at 80mph in 5th on the motorway, you'd have to have it firing about a week after TDC

[Matt Evans]

Mad but in a good way!

Keep up the good work fella.

[Jonzy]

drove it last week, utterly bonkers and possibly the most ghetto thing ive ever seen

i cant wait for the turbo version

[fezzajsy]

what a project,well done

[smila]

CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fair play for having a go good luck

[rs-tuner]

[Glenn.]

This Ford ka is gonna get madder lol.

[westus1]

this is just stupid

[Shonky]

I spent a few hours on it today, slightly changed the design to make it easier to route the exhaust in and out

The turbo is bolted to the frame in three places, I'm going to put some bracing in tomorrow






The air filter, oil tank and pump will all be bolted to the frame so it'll bolt up to the car in one go






The plan is to get the oil tank and pump mounted tomorrow

[Sp3no]

bonkers!!!!!

[Glenn.]

Your just mad lol.

[Wellz!!!!]

this is a crazy project and something different which is ace, keep up the good work!!!

[alanfordtw-15]

Originally Posted by Shonky

There's a guy with a remote turbo 205, he didn't have any lag, he used a roller bearing turbo

i was going to mention that, was in ppc mag a year or two ago.
looks great espically having a turbo where the back box should be!

i think his secret to no lag was to use small diameter pipes.

if these engines run hot as standard then it will be something to think about when you are turboing it , as even though you dont have the heat producing turbo in the bay, a turbo'd engine will produce more heat itself anyway.
maybe some type of cooling setup for the rear bank, fans or something.

keep it up, great work!

[andy escos]

your an absolute nutter but i like it

[Little-AL]

You are a legend fella! Love the mag feature on the car... very very cool work so far!

Turbo conversion is a brilliant idea - there are a couple of turbo'd Vaux V6's knocking around... and none of them appear to be terrible!
I'd recommend speaking to Chip about most vaux stuff - or comnig over on to Vauxsport.com aswell as here - deffo get some interest in the car on there.

If you need any advice on rebuilding the V6 etc then either me or Chip can put you in touch with the master (Specky)

Keep it up!

[Barry_GTi]

Very cool!!

Makes me want to do a remote build on some silly V8 thing!!

[jeans43]

humm cool will be intresting to see. Lag does seem a problem to me, i dont see how it can be eliminated even though iv read the previous post.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by alanfordtw-15

i was going to mention that, was in ppc mag a year or two ago.
looks great espically having a turbo where the back box should be!

i think his secret to no lag was to use small diameter pipes.

if these engines run hot as standard then it will be something to think about when you are turboing it , as even though you dont have the heat producing turbo in the bay, a turbo'd engine will produce more heat itself anyway.
maybe some type of cooling setup for the rear bank, fans or something.

keep it up, great work!

That guy ran a 2" pipe which is what I'll be starting with

I'm ducting air over the rear bank already from a hole in the bonnet

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by ace-media

You are a legend fella! Love the mag feature on the car... very very cool work so far!

Turbo conversion is a brilliant idea - there are a couple of turbo'd Vaux V6's knocking around... and none of them appear to be terrible!
I'd recommend speaking to Chip about most vaux stuff - or comnig over on to Vauxsport.com aswell as here - deffo get some interest in the car on there.

If you need any advice on rebuilding the V6 etc then either me or Chip can put you in touch with the master (Specky)

Keep it up!

I've spoken to chip briefly but, it's going to be quite straight forward this time around as it'll be a standard 2.5 with a few psi of boost, I'll definately be in touch when I come to put a low compression 3 litre together and getting it mapped

[Shonky]

Little update, turbo, intercooler, oil tank, oil pump and air filter are mounted, everything unbolts easily enough

I've got a t3 flange, some 2" mild bends and a universal flexi to tie into the original exhaust, I'll be doing away with the current back box and have a silencer/pipe coming out of the boot lid straight from the turbo

My welding is absolute wank so I'll buzz the welds down and get someone to do it properly!

I have about 12 feet of 1" and 2" tube for the boost which I'll crack on with tomorrow, after that I'll plumb in the turbo oil feed and return

The frame looks a little busy because there's bugger all room in the boot as well as the engine bay!!