My 2wd Sapphire Cosworth - Full Spec, rolling road graph, pics. Update 2/7/09 - Page 4

Staffi_ · 02-08-2008, 02:40 PM

Rich,

What GT30 are you oging for fella?? i'm getting Slim to get me a 3071 in 2 weeks time, quite fancy trying this over the 3076 cus of the way it's supposed to spool up, fingers crossed i should see 450-460 too not as if i'm fussed, just want a better spool up than the T38 that's on now..

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CossieRich · 04-08-2008, 09:20 PM

Staffi,

i have also got a GT3071 on order with a ported shroud. Will be interresting to see the results of both of ours. Mine with standard ports and yours with enlarged ports

rapidcossie · 04-08-2008, 09:28 PM

did you try the track spec rear springs Rich?

Im not too sure about them on my car.

CossieRich · 04-08-2008, 09:35 PM

Yes, i put them on and im NOT taking them off. Feels a lot more sure footed turnign into and through the bends. I cant wait until i have enough cash for a rear beam. The 3

laps i got a Snetterton felt much better than i thought it would. not perfect by a long way but the springs have deffo helped

I have the normal rear springs if you want to try them or buy them?

rapidcossie · 04-08-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Yes, i put them on and im NOT taking them off. Feels a lot more sure footed turnign into and through the bends. I cant wait until i have enough cash for a rear beam. The 3

laps i got a Snetterton felt much better than i thought it would. not perfect by a long way but the springs have deffo helped

I have the normal rear springs if you want to try them or buy them?

How about a try before I buy

My car is really weird at the moment but I havent had a chance to get it tracked properly.

I was out in it last night and it seemed to handle superbly with tons and tons of front end grip.

Just feels really weird in the wet or on long sweeping high speed corners.

I really need to let someone who knows about suspension setups to drive the car and see what they think.

KSA-Cossie · 04-08-2008, 09:38 PM

Bugger about your turbo m8

Glad you're keeping on with it though.

CossieRich · 04-08-2008, 09:45 PM

Euan,

that why i said you can try them or buy them. I know you are scottish but you can read English yes?

CossieRich · 04-08-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie

Bugger about your turbo m8

Glad you're keeping on with it though.

its not a bugger really, it just the excuse i have bene looking for to get a bigger turbo

KSA-Cossie · 04-08-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

its not a bugger really, it just the excuse i have bene looking for to get a bigger turbo

Good man,proper love your saph.

rapidcossie · 04-08-2008, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Euan,

that why i said you can try them or buy them. I know you are scottish but you can read English yes?

When you going to send them my way then?

or could get them from you at Nat day?

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 06:58 AM

Im going to National day so will bring them with me

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie

Good man,proper love your saph.

hopefully you will get to see it one day

Mike Rainbird · 05-08-2008, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rapidcossie

How about a try before I buy

My car is really weird at the moment but I havent had a chance to get it tracked properly.

I was out in it last night and it seemed to handle superbly with tons and tons of front end grip.

Just feels really weird in the wet or on long sweeping high speed corners.

I really need to let someone who knows about suspension setups to drive the car and see what they think.

Sounds like you need a proper rear beam to me

. I take it all the main beam bushes are poly and in good order (and not cheap shit)?

What springs are on it at the moment?

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 08:11 AM

Mike,

Euan has got ahmed springs with the track day ones at the rear. I am going to let him try my road going version springs.

Garage19 · 05-08-2008, 08:14 AM

Rich,

Are you going external wastegate with the GT30?

Mike Rainbird · 05-08-2008, 08:17 AM

That is what I thought, so I couldn't understand why he was wanting to change

... It will be the geometry settings due to the standard rear beam....

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 08:20 AM

Doug,

No im going internal as for my power level ie. under 500bhp there isnt much point mate.

Mike,

I dont know enough mate to respond to you statement

Garage19 · 05-08-2008, 08:27 AM

Thats a shame. I've got some special rods here and would love to have ago at welding a wastegate to the standard cossie manifold top part.

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 08:30 AM

Sounds interrsting Doug

it just the associated costs of external gate that is also stopping me

Garage19 · 05-08-2008, 08:39 AM

If you can get Stu to build some sort of boost cut into your chip or alternativly knock your own one up with a cheap hobbs pressure sensor and a relay then you could run with one of the cheapo tial copies from xs power etc. I haven't actually heard of them failing mind you.

Then you just need someone to fab some 1.5" stainless from your wastegate back into your down pipe. Or out under the car if you want a screamer.

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 08:44 AM

I wont be using an off the shlef chip soon. Will be going afternarket management Doug

Mike Rainbird · 05-08-2008, 08:47 AM

Doug,
The screamer isn't an option, as the noise regs for track days are getting more strict by the year

.

Garage19 · 05-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

I wont be using an off the shlef chip soon. Will be going afternarket management Doug

What management are you going to run?

With most you should get a configurable output that you could setup for boost cut or a boost cut set up in the software.

Its just good insurance that allows you to take the risk of running a cheap wastegate. £60 will buy you one off ebay!

Garage19 · 05-08-2008, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Doug,
The screamer isn't an option, as the noise regs for track days are getting more strict by the year

.

True.

I've got an exup exhaust valve from an R1 sat here that would make a great gate for a screamer pipe. Open off track and diverted back into down pipe on tracks with tight noise regs.

KSA-Cossie · 05-08-2008, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

That is what I thought, so I couldn't understand why he was wanting to change

... It will be the geometry settings due to the standard rear beam....

What settings would you recommend mike ?

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 09:04 AM

The turbo has already been ordered with an internal gate. I dont really see any point in external as im not chasing every last bhp that could be available

Mike Rainbird · 05-08-2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie

What settings would you recommend mike ?

The standard rear beam is not adjustable in any way, so you are stuck with what-ever you have.

You can fit shims to adjust the toe, or you can slot all the mounting holes, fit heavy duty washers and the adjust the beam to get the settings that you want, before welding the washers into position so the beam can't move (not ideal, as you still have the inherent bump steer that goes with the standard beam, but this is what the Grp N boys used to do

).

KSA-Cossie · 05-08-2008, 09:14 AM

I have the shims already,got poly bushes in the trailing arms but am about to replace them with standard ones.

Staffi_ · 05-08-2008, 09:15 AM

Rich,

When does yours go in to Slims to be fitted then mate?

Kev,

The settings Mike gave me for my Zoo beam worked perfectly, it's so nice to drive now. I don't like to tell him this though cus it'll go to his head..

i know you're on standard beam, but his advice is pretty good, SOMETIMES........

KSA-Cossie · 05-08-2008, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staffi

Rich,

When does yours go in to Slims to be fitted then mate?

Kev,

The settings Mike gave me for my Zoo beam worked perfectly, it's so nice to drive now. I don't like to tell him this though cus it'll go to his head..

i know you're on standard beam, but his advice is pretty good, SOMETIMES........

Yeah,sometimes

Might just go for an ahmed rear beam at the end of the year .

Staffi_ · 05-08-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie

Yeah,sometimes

Might just go for an ahmed rear beam at the end of the year .

Think this is the beam i'd of chosen if i was doing it from the start..

probably the best money you'll spend on the car imo..

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 09:23 AM

Pete,

Not sure when. Mark is currently sorting something else out for me as well. ask him about it when you go there

Or if you let me know when you are going, i will come along. Be nice to meet you and see the results

Staffi_ · 05-08-2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Pete,

Not sure when. Mark is currently sorting something else out for me as well. ask him about it when you go there

Or if you let me know when you are going, i will come along. Be nice to meet you and see the results

Rich,

It'll be the week after next, need the car for National Day, then it'll be going down then..

Mate, not really fussed about numbers tbh like you, i'm going for better spool up (HOPEFULLY) if i get 450-460 then yes all well and good, but remember i'm still on the 205 block too...

real tears..

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 09:26 AM

Is that on a weekday or weekend?

Staffi_ · 05-08-2008, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Is that on a weekday or weekend?

Yeah it will be, we travel down from Coventry, get to slims usually about 2ish, not sure what day yet, i'll call Mark tonight sometime..i know he's been busy with Rods car so i've not pestered him for a day or two..

rapidcossie · 05-08-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Sounds like you need a proper rear beam to me

. I take it all the main beam bushes are poly and in good order (and not cheap shit)?

What springs are on it at the moment?

All bushes are in good nic and are polyflex ones.

The car used to handle ok and was always planted and predictable(understeer).

After fiting the track psec rear springs the rear wants to come round on long sweepers which is quite un-nerving.

If I go round and round a roundabout the rear washes out like I have pulled the handbreak rather than understeering.

I know this sounds like a good set up for the track but its not ideal for our wet slidy Scottish roads!

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 12:43 PM

Harder rear springs will give the tendancy to oversteer more Euan

rapidcossie · 05-08-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Harder rear springs will give the tendancy to oversteer more Euan

I know that now Rich

CossieRich · 05-08-2008, 12:46 PM

i will bring the road spec rears with me to nat Day if you can wait that long. if not pm me your address and i'll send them to you

rapidcossie · 05-08-2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

i will bring the road spec rears with me to nat Day if you can wait that long. if not pm me your address and i'll send them to you

I can wait to Nat day mate as its only a few weeks now, it will save you on postage too

04-08-2008, 09:20 PM	#122
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Staffi, i have also got a GT3071 on order with a ported shroud. Will be interresting to see the results of both of ours. Mine with standard ports and yours with enlarged ports __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

04-08-2008, 09:28 PM	#123
rapidcossie 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: scotland Posts: 14,922 Rep Power: 22	did you try the track spec rear springs Rich? Im not too sure about them on my car. __________________ Euan Fastest Sierra in Scotland 188.1 mph at brunters in the wet Built,tuned and prepared by AVA turbos

04-08-2008, 09:35 PM	#124
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Yes, i put them on and im NOT taking them off. Feels a lot more sure footed turnign into and through the bends. I cant wait until i have enough cash for a rear beam. The 3 laps i got a Snetterton felt much better than i thought it would. not perfect by a long way but the springs have deffo helped I have the normal rear springs if you want to try them or buy them? __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

04-08-2008, 09:38 PM	#126
KSA-Cossie 20K+ Super Poster. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shutting down jap crap Posts: 23,544 Rep Power: 31	Bugger about your turbo m8 Glad you're keeping on with it though. __________________ cheeRS kev R/B T38,siemens blacks,500 intercooler,MSD closed loop,wasted spark,18" MO's,362mm discs,AP 6 pots,ALS & LC. Motorsport Developments 01253 508400

04-08-2008, 09:45 PM	#127
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Euan, that why i said you can try them or buy them. I know you are scottish but you can read English yes? __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 06:58 AM	#131
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Im going to National day so will bring them with me __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 08:11 AM	#134
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Mike, Euan has got ahmed springs with the track day ones at the rear. I am going to let him try my road going version springs. __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

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Garage19 PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Ipswich Posts: 3,438 Rep Power: 11	Rich, Are you going external wastegate with the GT30? __________________ nice try

05-08-2008, 08:17 AM	#136
Mike Rainbird Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 26,161 Rep Power: 35	That is what I thought, so I couldn't understand why he was wanting to change ... It will be the geometry settings due to the standard rear beam.... __________________ Mike Rainbird Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. http://www.rsnorfolk.co.uk/ Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right .

05-08-2008, 08:20 AM	#137
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Doug, No im going internal as for my power level ie. under 500bhp there isnt much point mate. Mike, I dont know enough mate to respond to you statement __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

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Garage19 PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Ipswich Posts: 3,438 Rep Power: 11	Thats a shame. I've got some special rods here and would love to have ago at welding a wastegate to the standard cossie manifold top part. __________________ nice try

05-08-2008, 08:30 AM	#139
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Sounds interrsting Doug it just the associated costs of external gate that is also stopping me __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 08:39 AM	#140
Garage19 PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Ipswich Posts: 3,438 Rep Power: 11	If you can get Stu to build some sort of boost cut into your chip or alternativly knock your own one up with a cheap hobbs pressure sensor and a relay then you could run with one of the cheapo tial copies from xs power etc. I haven't actually heard of them failing mind you. Then you just need someone to fab some 1.5" stainless from your wastegate back into your down pipe. Or out under the car if you want a screamer. __________________ nice try

05-08-2008, 08:44 AM	#141
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	I wont be using an off the shlef chip soon. Will be going afternarket management Doug __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

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Mike Rainbird Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 26,161 Rep Power: 35	Doug, The screamer isn't an option, as the noise regs for track days are getting more strict by the year . __________________ Mike Rainbird Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. http://www.rsnorfolk.co.uk/ Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right .

05-08-2008, 09:04 AM	#146
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	The turbo has already been ordered with an internal gate. I dont really see any point in external as im not chasing every last bhp that could be available __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

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KSA-Cossie 20K+ Super Poster. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shutting down jap crap Posts: 23,544 Rep Power: 31	I have the shims already,got poly bushes in the trailing arms but am about to replace them with standard ones. __________________ cheeRS kev R/B T38,siemens blacks,500 intercooler,MSD closed loop,wasted spark,18" MO's,362mm discs,AP 6 pots,ALS & LC. Motorsport Developments 01253 508400

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Staffi_ I LOVE CURRY Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Shell Garage... Posts: 17,303 Rep Power: 24	Rich, When does yours go in to Slims to be fitted then mate? Kev, The settings Mike gave me for my Zoo beam worked perfectly, it's so nice to drive now. I don't like to tell him this though cus it'll go to his head.. i know you're on standard beam, but his advice is pretty good, SOMETIMES........ __________________

05-08-2008, 09:23 AM	#152
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Pete, Not sure when. Mark is currently sorting something else out for me as well. ask him about it when you go there Or if you let me know when you are going, i will come along. Be nice to meet you and see the results __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 09:26 AM	#154
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Is that on a weekday or weekend? __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 12:43 PM	#157
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	Harder rear springs will give the tendancy to oversteer more Euan __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

05-08-2008, 12:46 PM	#159
CossieRich Did Someone Mention TUV Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 16,348 Rep Power: 25	i will bring the road spec rears with me to nat Day if you can wait that long. if not pm me your address and i'll send them to you __________________ Rich MAD Built, GT30, 2.5 bar, MAD Spec inlet cam, Pro Alloy RS500 Intercooler and Rad, Bara Diff, AP 330's, Vi-PEC ECU, 2WD. 480 bhp. 474 ft/lb. Click HERE for my Cosworth Project. Big Thread

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