My 535 Bhp/470.2 ftlbs Volvo 850 :) - Page 3

alistairolsen · 09-09-2008, 07:04 AM

do either of you know if swapping in the n/a inlet cam off the 2.5 is possible or beneficial on a T5?

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Andy_P · 09-09-2008, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alistairolsen

do either of you know if swapping in the n/a inlet cam off the 2.5 is possible or beneficial on a T5?

Yes it can be.

Speaking from experiance with the 4 cylinder white blocks (T4 / 2.0T) I've changed both inlet and exhaust cams from my 2.0T to n/a with very good results.

The only problem is (if this applies to the 5 cylinder) depending on the year the engines can be fitted with either hydraulic or mechanical lifters and the cams are not interchangeable.

Also, I'm not sure how far along the timeline you are with your mods but if you're running a standard td-04 housed turbo (16T etc) these are somewhat of a backpressure monster and although the n/a cams do give added perfromance, they're more suited with larger housings. Not sure if this applies so much if you're only going to swap the inlet cam though.

Russ no doubt will be able to tell you more.

Andy P

alistairolsen · 09-09-2008, 08:12 AM

for a start Ill run it standard, 400bhp/tonne should be ok for a good while. After that ill be aiming for about 380bhp with 300ftlbs helf from 3500 to 7k ish. Probably run a GT30 and a boost controller, standalone and a new exhaust manifold.

Reason for the torque cap is grip, and being able to use cheap, standard bottom ends and heads.

I just know in the vauxhall xe and let motors, in higher states of tune its worth 20+BHP!

cheers

RickyLee53 · 09-09-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mad russell

All i can say is that i am trying out a few they are all custom made though its not like the cossy tuning world

Russ

haha,

I'm not in the cossy world either.

Just wondered on Cam spec as this will obviously change the powerband massively which does look pretty narrow.

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alistairolsen

do either of you know if swapping in the n/a inlet cam off the 2.5 is possible or beneficial on a T5?

As Andy has said there CAN be improvments made from N/A cams but i have never seen someone do any proper testing which i hope to change soon

Russ

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alistairolsen

for a start Ill run it standard, 400bhp/tonne should be ok for a good while. After that ill be aiming for about 380bhp with 300ftlbs helf from 3500 to 7k ish. Probably run a GT30 and a boost controller, standalone and a new exhaust manifold.

Reason for the torque cap is grip, and being able to use cheap, standard bottom ends and heads.

I just know in the vauxhall xe and let motors, in higher states of tune its worth 20+BHP!

cheers

Hi A

If you do run the car with an autronic Sm4 it has nice standard features like launch control and traction control

Russ

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickyLee53

haha,

I'm not in the cossy world either.

Just wondered on Cam spec as this will obviously change the powerband massively which does look pretty narrow.

Hi Ricky

Fear not about the cams and power band this was just a test not the finished result i will soon be going back to the RR and will carry out many tests i have in mind hopefully the RR owner will not be so scared this time

Will post the results i get

Russ

Spiky · 10-09-2008, 11:31 AM

awesome car

where did you get the intake pipe?

elliot · 10-09-2008, 11:45 AM

The 2.5 20v cams do have more lift but they are also a longer duration.
inlet is 250dr 8.45lift,exhaust is 252 dr and also 8.45 lift.Not sure you would see alot of gain TBH
Standard T5 cams are inlet 242 lift 7.95 and exhasut 243 with 7.95 lift.I have some piper cams in mine they are pretty mild but made a fairly big difference.As Andy p has said the big restriction is the tdo4 exhaust housing.

space hoppers · 10-09-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad russell

Hi Ricky

Fear not about the cams and power band this was just a test not the finished result i will soon be going back to the RR and will carry out many tests i have in mind hopefully the RR owner will not be so scared this time

Will post the results i get

Russ

old snot box !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you sort it with pete at the weekend then ???????????????

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiky

awesome car

where did you get the intake pipe?

try here www.flexiblehosesupplies.co.uk

Russ

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliot

The 2.5 20v cams do have more lift but they are also a longer duration.
inlet is 250dr 8.45lift,exhaust is 252 dr and also 8.45 lift.Not sure you would see alot of gain TBH
Standard T5 cams are inlet 242 lift 7.95 and exhasut 243 with 7.95 lift.I have some piper cams in mine they are pretty mild but made a fairly big difference.As Andy p has said the big restriction is the tdo4 exhaust housing.

Hi Elliot

Well said that man

Russ

mad russell · 10-09-2008, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space hoppers

old snot box !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you sort it with pete at the weekend then ???????????????

Not yet

mad russell · 12-10-2008, 01:34 PM

A few updates had another run on the rollers yesterday to see if the claims people make that N/A cams are better in the volvos well i found it had lost 10 hp over last time but really wanted to run the car on race fuel to see what happens

Flwheel

Wheels

The car made it home after ok but i think i have an ill turbo

as Rod said to me after the run you cannot develop a 591 bhp car without a few setbacks

I still have much work left to do but the testing process continues .

I will be back.

Russ

CossieRich · 12-10-2008, 01:58 PM

So it is deffo turbo then Russ? Would have pissed passed 600 on the next run

mad russell · 12-10-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

So it is deffo turbo then Russ? Would have pissed passed 600 on the next run

Not 100 % sure yet yes 600 would of made my day

the water injection was not working

Russ

CossieRich · 13-10-2008, 04:43 PM

Next time Russ. Let me know when/if you are going back and i will drive over

orion turbo · 14-10-2008, 02:06 PM

what a sleeper love it!

AustenW · 14-10-2008, 02:22 PM

Some good power there.

Have you installed darton sleeves?

What work have you done to ensure the bore doesn't split / deform?

Less. · 14-10-2008, 02:43 PM

Makes a refreshing change from all the cossies

elliot · 14-10-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustenW

Some good power there.

Have you installed darton sleeves?

What work have you done to ensure the bore doesn't split / deform?

Its the later 2.5 block in the newer cars and the focus st's that are spliting liners.The 2.3 blocks get taken to 750-800 before liners in Sweden

mad russell · 14-10-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CossieRich

Next time Russ. Let me know when/if you are going back and i will drive over

Will do rich

Russ

mad russell · 14-10-2008, 07:56 PM

Many thanks

Russ

mad russell · 14-10-2008, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustenW

Some good power there.

Have you installed darton sleeves?

What work have you done to ensure the bore doesn't split / deform?

Hi Austenw

No sleeves yet

Russ

mad russell · 14-10-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Less

Makes a refreshing change from all the cossies

Russ

mad russell · 14-10-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliot

Its the later 2.5 block in the newer cars and the focus st's that are spliting liners.The 2.3 blocks get taken to 750-800 before liners in Sweden

Well said Elliot

Russ

nk_12321 · 21-10-2008, 07:16 AM

how much you spend in this project??? your volvo is one of most beautiful I ever seen!!!!

mad russell · 21-10-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nk_12321

how much you spend in this project??? your volvo is one of most beautiful I ever seen!!!!

Hi There

Your first post on PF and you post on a thread about a volvo

thanks for the kind words

Its cost much money and is still far from finished

Russ

mad russell · 15-11-2008, 06:12 AM

Ok Time for a few updates

After the last run on the rollers where we made 591/524 ftlbs on the race fuel i went to do another run the car started to smoke not badly but there was smoke there so run aborted to see what i had damaged after having the turbo checked and all was ok i started to look at the engine i had at first thought the headgasket had not liked the race fuel which can happen but then found this

I had thought it could of happended on the 2.3 block as the V70R and focus ST's are having crack's in liners even with stage one let alone 591 hp so now i have found out for myself and other future customers where the limit is of the 2.3 so i am now looking at the best routes to cure the problem for good.

I thought it would interest some people to show what happens when you push the limit of the parts designed for 240 bhp its a set back but one that will make the car 100 % reliable once i have finished my R&D .

If your running the standard 2.3 block and claim to have more than 600 hp i would say

My breather system and dump valve has arrived i am going to do away with the volvo pot etc and try this out :

I have now got the time to spend to do all the small jobs i have been meaning to do on the car so took to the bonnet with a drill and hole saw

I have decided to have a roll cage added to the car and also plan a few more changes to the inside of the car

Russ

kev 3dr · 15-11-2008, 06:28 AM

This is one

project mate !!!

will that engine bolt straight up to any rwd gearbox in the volvo family ???

AustenW · 15-11-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad russell

Hi Austenw

No sleeves yet

Russ

Dont say I didn't warn you

Its very common

MadRod · 15-11-2008, 01:57 PM

He will have a nice neat loom installed next week, the rats nest fitted (Russes development wiring) was losing him about 200bhp well thats what it looked like

.
Cant wait for this to get completed, it will be a very fast car indeed

.

massivewangers · 15-11-2008, 03:45 PM

That's bonkers

A friend of mine had a standard T5-R and it was useless in the wet, just spun up constantly, this one must be a handful!!!

mad russell · 15-11-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kev 3dr

This is one

project mate !!!

will that engine bolt straight up to any rwd gearbox in the volvo family ???

Not without some serious fab work

Russ

mad russell · 15-11-2008, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustenW

Dont say I didn't warn you

Its very common

Hi AustenW

I cannot remember if you had put liners in your or not ?

Russ

mad russell · 15-11-2008, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadRod

He will have a nice neat loom installed next week, the rats nest fitted (Russes development wiring) was losing him about 200bhp well thats what it looked like

.
Cant wait for this to get completed, it will be a very fast car indeed

.

Thanks Rod

Cannot wait to get it all looking right and going right

Russ

mad russell · 15-11-2008, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massivewangers

That's bonkers

A friend of mine had a standard T5-R and it was useless in the wet, just spun up constantly, this one must be a handful!!!

Hi MW

Thanks for the comment its a good deal of fun thats for sure its amazing how much grip you can get with a decent setup

Russ

space hoppers · 20-11-2008, 05:21 PM

i reckon you should let Q finish the car off for you

MadRod · 20-11-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space hoppers

i reckon you should let Q finish the car off for you

Im actually re-wiring it, not up to Q standards but looking good. I suggested doing the Q mod of threading the fuel pump wires through the spare wheel so it cant be removed but Russ dont want such extreme mods as hes only looking at 600bhp.

mad russell · 20-11-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space hoppers

i reckon you should let Q finish the car off for you

Hi S H

If i want it set on fire or the unique immobilser mod done then thats a good idea otherwise Rod will have to do

Russ

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elliot Virgin Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sevenoaks Posts: 10	The 2.5 20v cams do have more lift but they are also a longer duration. inlet is 250dr 8.45lift,exhaust is 252 dr and also 8.45 lift.Not sure you would see alot of gain TBH Standard T5 cams are inlet 242 lift 7.95 and exhasut 243 with 7.95 lift.I have some piper cams in mine they are pretty mild but made a fairly big difference.As Andy p has said the big restriction is the tdo4 exhaust housing. Last edited by elliot; 10-09-2008 at 11:47 AM.

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mad russell Volvo Mad Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hampshire Posts: 425	A few updates had another run on the rollers yesterday to see if the claims people make that N/A cams are better in the volvos well i found it had lost 10 hp over last time but really wanted to run the car on race fuel to see what happens Flwheel Wheels The car made it home after ok but i think i have an ill turbo as Rod said to me after the run you cannot develop a 591 bhp car without a few setbacks I still have much work left to do but the testing process continues . I will be back. Russ __________________ Volvo 850 T5-R 591 bhp 524 ftlbs torque so far on an Autronic SM 4 (UK First) runs 2.5 bar full time Have a look at my project : http://passionford.com/forum/restora...lvo-850-a.html Silver Evo 6 Autronic stage one ??? bhp,Autronic SM 2 plug and play,Mongoose exhaust, Gaz Coil overs,18 inch,Compomotive Mo wheels,

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alistairolsen Advanced PassionFord User Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Glasgow/Oban Posts: 1,508	for a start Ill run it standard, 400bhp/tonne should be ok for a good while. After that ill be aiming for about 380bhp with 300ftlbs helf from 3500 to 7k ish. Probably run a GT30 and a boost controller, standalone and a new exhaust manifold. Reason for the torque cap is grip, and being able to use cheap, standard bottom ends and heads. I just know in the vauxhall xe and let motors, in higher states of tune its worth 20+BHP! cheers

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mad russell Volvo Mad Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hampshire Posts: 425	Many thanks Russ __________________ Volvo 850 T5-R 591 bhp 524 ftlbs torque so far on an Autronic SM 4 (UK First) runs 2.5 bar full time Have a look at my project : http://passionford.com/forum/restora...lvo-850-a.html Silver Evo 6 Autronic stage one ??? bhp,Autronic SM 2 plug and play,Mongoose exhaust, Gaz Coil overs,18 inch,Compomotive Mo wheels,

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mad russell Volvo Mad Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hampshire Posts: 425	Ok Time for a few updates After the last run on the rollers where we made 591/524 ftlbs on the race fuel i went to do another run the car started to smoke not badly but there was smoke there so run aborted to see what i had damaged after having the turbo checked and all was ok i started to look at the engine i had at first thought the headgasket had not liked the race fuel which can happen but then found this I had thought it could of happended on the 2.3 block as the V70R and focus ST's are having crack's in liners even with stage one let alone 591 hp so now i have found out for myself and other future customers where the limit is of the 2.3 so i am now looking at the best routes to cure the problem for good. I thought it would interest some people to show what happens when you push the limit of the parts designed for 240 bhp its a set back but one that will make the car 100 % reliable once i have finished my R&D . If your running the standard 2.3 block and claim to have more than 600 hp i would say My breather system and dump valve has arrived i am going to do away with the volvo pot etc and try this out : I have now got the time to spend to do all the small jobs i have been meaning to do on the car so took to the bonnet with a drill and hole saw I have decided to have a roll cage added to the car and also plan a few more changes to the inside of the car Russ __________________ Volvo 850 T5-R 591 bhp 524 ftlbs torque so far on an Autronic SM 4 (UK First) runs 2.5 bar full time Have a look at my project : http://passionford.com/forum/restora...lvo-850-a.html Silver Evo 6 Autronic stage one ??? bhp,Autronic SM 2 plug and play,Mongoose exhaust, Gaz Coil overs,18 inch,Compomotive Mo wheels,

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